Episode 1467: Interview with Hannah Tackett About Finding Freedom From Burnout

[00:00:00] Scott Maderer: Thanks for joining us on episode 1, 467 of the Inspired Stewardship Podcast.

[00:00:07] Hannah Tackett: I'm Hannah Tackett, and I challenge you to invest in yourself, invest in others. Develop your influence and impact the world by using your time, talent, and your treasures to live out your calling. Having the ability to be the linchpin for your own life is key.

[00:00:21] And one way to be inspired to do that is to listen to this, the Inspired Stewardship Podcast with my friend, Scott Maderer.

[00:00:28] I think it goes back to that motivation. You're saying like, well, they're in the middle of this white noise. How do they know they should do something about it? I think that there's a mindset shift where we've all been taught, not all of us, but many of us have been raised to be selfless, to be givers, which is wonderful in moderation.

[00:00:43] I think the shift that needs to happen is to realize that you are the linchpin of your life.

[00:00:47] Scott Maderer: Welcome and thank you for joining us on the Inspired Stewardship Podcast. If you truly desire to become the person who God wants you to be, then you must learn to use your time, your talent, and your [00:01:00] treasures for your true calling.

[00:01:02] In the Inspired Stewardship Podcast, you will learn to invest in yourself, invest in others, and develop your influence. so that you can impact the world.

[00:01:13] In today's podcast episode, I interview Hannah Tackett. I asked Hannah about her journey through burnout to helping other women avoid burnout. I asked Hannah to share with you what burnout even is. And Hannah also shares her faith and why mindset and motivation are so important. I've got a new book coming out.

[00:01:34] called Inspired Living, assembling the puzzle of your call by mastering your time, your talent, and your treasures. You can find out more about it and sign up for getting more information over at inspiredstewardship. com, Inspired Living. That's inspiredstewardship. com, Inspired Living. Henna Tackett, a former tech leader with 16 years of experience, [00:02:00] now dedicates herself to coaching against burnouts.

[00:02:03] Having navigated her own career halting burnout, she empowers high achieving women to recognize and overcome the pressures of professional life. Through her expertise, she guides others to reclaim control and maintain well being in their careers. When she's not working with women to lower stress, increase energy, or shed what's weighing them down, she can be found wandering in the woods or chasing her kids at the beach.

[00:02:28] Welcome to the show, Hannah. Thank you.

[00:02:30] Hannah Tackett: Happy to be here.

[00:02:32] Scott Maderer: Absolutely. I'm glad to have you today. So I shared a little bit in the intro about some of the work you've been doing on coaching around burnout and working with that kind of experience that we have. And we'll talk more about that in a little bit, but before we go there, would you share a little bit about your own journey and what brought you to being focused on working around this area?

[00:02:58] Hannah Tackett: Absolutely. So I guess [00:03:00] my journey began with my own burnout. I've burned out multiple times in different careers and different jobs. And my last burnout, which was 2017 was pivotal for me. It was definitely a tipping point. I was working in tech full time. I have young children to take care of marriage, like this beautiful life that I built for myself.

[00:03:18] And I couldn't get out of bed. For months, and I didn't know why. And I went to the doctors, and we ran all these tests, and there was nothing wrong with me. Except for that I was completely fried, and I wasn't showing up for my life. And it scared me. It really did frighten me because I was failing. I was failing across the board.

[00:03:35] I was failing at everything I cared about. And I decided in that moment first of all, I'm fixing this. Second, this will never happen again. I will never be so fatigued, so drained. I will never burn out like this ever again. And that was a decision I made and it, prioritized my own care.

[00:03:55] And on that journey of recovery I began to meet a lot of other [00:04:00] women, at conferences and my work life and just in general who had similar experiences or were in the middle of something very similar. And I realized, oh, this is not a me problem. This is much bigger. And the more educated I got in space, the more I understood the statistics that were out there.

[00:04:16] This is growing. This isn't just me. not just a me problem, but it's something that is accelerating and increasing over time. And it's a big problem that needs to be solved. So I started to step into a space where I could help others. .

[00:04:28] Scott Maderer: . And so did it come naturally to you?

[00:04:31] Or what did you do to not just understand it for yourself, but begin to help understand it for others?

[00:04:39] Hannah Tackett: Absolutely. Actually, yes. It did come a bit natural to me in that I've always had an interest in helping others. I spent a dozen or so years as a holistic healthcare practitioner before going into tech and even in tech.

[00:04:51] Yes, I'm designing software, but I was. Designing software with usability at the forefront of my mind with, human psychology at the forefront of my mind. And [00:05:00] my role usually involved leading others and supporting a team. And so being able to support others and help others and encourage their own health and growth is like always been a part of my picture.

[00:05:12] It's always been something that I cared about and felt passionate about. And so going in and learning how to actually coach and how to help people get past their own like self sabotage and like getting through all these things was very much up my alley. And I've been enjoying the work and I love seeing women turn their lives around.

[00:05:27] I love seeing them recover and be able to step into their own success with power.

[00:05:32] Scott Maderer: So you mentioned earlier that, the burnout and the statistics show that it's getting more common. Why, why is that? Why do you think burnout is happening more now than at other times?

[00:05:44] Hannah Tackett: So let's talk about what burnout is first, and that'll help explain why it's on the rise.

[00:05:50] So burnout, it's just a colloquialism, right? There's no diagnosis of burnout. But what it is, it's an expression of chronic stress. And a lot of people think, and I thought this [00:06:00] too Burnout was like hitting a wall. It was like a flip, a switch flipped and suddenly you're fried. You can't function anymore.

[00:06:05] You're not showing up, but really it happens in stages. And so that first stage is, I like to think of it as stealthy stress. And so you're dealing with, maybe you're feeling irritable and maybe you're feeling a little short with your husband or not as patient with your children as you'd like to be.

[00:06:19] You're having that stress experience. And maybe, or maybe you're having some anxiety, maybe you're struggling with sleep at night. Maybe dealing with a little bit of brain frog or some tummy troubles or migraines. And these are all just symptoms of stress beginning to accumulate and starting to affect your daily life.

[00:06:35] And when you don't deal with the underlying reason for that stress, why it's building up, then that can turn into what I think of as like the stage, the second stage of burnout, which is emotional erosion. And that is when we start feeling cynical. When we start to have that. I like to call them the Sunday scaries.

[00:06:51] I've heard other people call them the Sunday scaries when you dread going to work on Monday. Mine would happen on Friday, like Friday 3 p. m. I felt like my soul was being tugged out of my body and [00:07:00] I did not want to go back. I couldn't enjoy my weekend and it was all just because I was so fed up with being at work, I was so resentful of the situation I was in and a lot of people say things like it feels like I'm on this endless hamster wheel or like it's a grind and there's a lot of fantasies of quitting.

[00:07:17] And if at that point, you're not dealing with this mountain of stress that has been building up over time, oftentimes years, that's when we get into that third stage, which is like a performance paralysis. And some have experienced this as a physical halt. Like for me, I, I was in bed. I couldn't get up.

[00:07:36] I didn't know why. I've dealt with, I've worked with women who ended up in the ER. I've also worked with women who, it wasn't so much like a physical collapse as much as it was, they weren't able to work. Like they were showing up to work, they were logging in and staring at their screen for eight hours and not able to get anything done.

[00:07:51] Like they went from being a top performer to highly inefficient. It was like trying to push through one lady described it as like white noise. Like [00:08:00] she's trying to work, push through white noise and she just couldn't, get the work done. And the tragedy there is all of these things affect our confidence and we start to doubt ourselves like, oh, I'm failing.

[00:08:12] I'm failing at life. But really, it's something that can be fixed. It can be turned around. And so ignoring any of those signs or symptoms, like on, on your burnout journey I don't recommend those are big red flags hey, pay attention to me. Something needs to change. So now that we understand okay, so burnout isn't something that just suddenly happens.

[00:08:29] It's something that's been building up probably for years. The reason we're seeing it on the rise is because we, there's a few factors. So there's the whole shutdown where people are socially isolated. Social isolation is one of the most stressful things you could possibly endure. So we're talking about stress, right?

[00:08:47] We're talking about adding stress to our lives. So there's the fear involved in that, there's the lack of community that was involved in that, and all of this is piling up. And I don't think that's actually been resolved for most of us, like we're still recovering from this. And then [00:09:00] there's also just the larger trend of less white space in our lives.

[00:09:06] And I know growing up, I didn't have this. There was no cell phones. There was no social media. There was no always on. There was no way if I went for a walk, no one could call me. No one could reach me. I was on a walk. And that's gone now, right? So now we're always reachable. We're always plugged in.

[00:09:22] There's no downtime. If you're going to the loo, you're probably scrolling on your social media. So there's no white space. There's no margin in life. And what we need to complete the stress cycle, what we need to process intense moments in our life, which we all have, is white space. We need to be able to feel our feelings.

[00:09:40] We need to be able to think our thoughts through to completion. And now most of us, especially knowledge workers, are working in environments where you're on zoom calls from 7am to 10pm because you're working with people on different time zones and there's never any disconnect. There's no turning it off.

[00:09:57] And then in the white space that you do have, [00:10:00] You're picking up your phone, and you're checking your email, you're scrolling on social, and you're not letting your brain and your body process what just happened. And that means the stress isn't being completed, the stress cycle's not being completed.

[00:10:15] We're also with this new modern lifestyle, we're moving a lot less. We're sitting a lot more. And along with white space movement is a wonderful way to complete the stress cycle, just going for a walk, getting in the sun, having some fresh air. So we're, our lifestyle culturally is shifting farther and farther away from things that would naturally manage our stress on a daily basis.

[00:10:36] And so that stress is not being managed, it's accumulating. And so we're seeing I think a higher occurrence of things that are tied to chronic stress and burnout. That's just what it is. It's an expression of chronic stress and it shows up for different people in different ways. So did I answer your question?

[00:10:53] Scott Maderer: Absolutely. Yeah. And I think we'll dive back into that a little bit and expand on a little bit more in terms of some of the signs [00:11:00] and symptoms and what we can do to avoid it. But, before I go there, one of the other things that I like to highlight in my show is for ourselves the journey we have and the intersection that we have sometimes between our own faith journey.

[00:11:13] and our life journey and that feedback loop. So when you think about that how has your journey and your relationship with faith and spirituality paralleled some of the journey you went on through finding through, through going through burnout and finding this new destination and new thing that you like to do.

[00:11:32] Hannah Tackett: Oh, I think it's critical because there's a period where if we talk about those of us who have a habit of burning out,

[00:11:39] Scott Maderer: you

[00:11:40] Hannah Tackett: know, who are burning out more than once or pushing ourselves to exhaustion or over tapping our resources on a regular basis. There are, I like to think of them as like the five success traps.

[00:11:50] There's behaviors that are driving that. And That's where the faith will tie in there. So these behaviors are like the people pleasing the fear of saying [00:12:00] no there's the over extending and over helping, perfectionism over achieving. So you're trying to keep your boss happy, you're trying to keep your spouse happy, you're trying to keep your kids happy your coworkers happy, your employees happy, your clients happy, and your needs are bottom of the list.

[00:12:15] And a lot of us have been taught that this is noble. But what ends up happening is that you're running a deficit and that you will eventually start to feel resentful and you will start to drain your precious resources and you won't be able to make anybody happy, frankly, and then there's the perfectionism and that can be driven oftentimes by fear you have to have a certain level of, Perfect to prove that you're worthy or to avoid criticism or rejection, or perhaps there's a fear of scarcity, maybe a fear of losing your job or having your business not succeed.

[00:12:46] And then the helping when you're, it's good to help. Oh, all of these, by the way, are like flip sides of a coin, right? So making people happy, nothing wrong with that. Taking it to an extreme where you're damaging yourself, that can drive you to burnout. Having [00:13:00] high standards, attention to detail, nothing wrong with that's a good thing.

[00:13:04] Taken to an extreme when it's rooted in fear. can drive you to burnout. Same thing with the overextending and the helping and the overachieving, which I was definitely guilty of, which is you're just too busy all the time, because to be busy is to be worthy, right? And, the minute you check one thing off your list, you've got 20 things lined up.

[00:13:20] You never celebrate, you're just moving forward. So all of those things together tend to cause that burnout cycle or contribute to it. It contributes to it. There's usually other things going on to other stress factors. But so these behaviors can accelerate and drive us. to burn out. And where the faith comes in is when we realize that we're worthy because we are, and that you have to make a mental shift.

[00:13:48] I have to prove myself. I have to show up and be on. I have to be perfect at all times. I have all these beliefs, right? That are based maybe in fear or the programming that we got growing up. And then we go to change that programming. When [00:14:00] we go to create a new belief there's a period of time where it's going to feel really uncomfortable.

[00:14:04] It's going to feel unnatural. And you're like, Oh, but. What do you mean? I can say no. What if I say no, I'm going to get fired. And so there's little things that we can do to start practicing, practicing saying no, there's ways to say no that help everyone, but there's going to be a leap of faith, right?

[00:14:18] Because you're going to change your behavior. You're going to change the way that you're showing up at work. You're going to change the way that you're relating to people. You're going to change your relationship with working and change is scary. And if it's rooted in fear, our behaviors, which they usually are, fear is not a bad thing.

[00:14:32] It's not bad for you. It has good intentions, right? It's there to protect you. And so when you acknowledge, okay, the fear is here to protect me, I'm going to make these small changes so that I can actually show up for my life. I won't be completely fried. I won't be sick. But you're going to have the flare ups of the doubt and the insecurity and there's going to be a period of time where you have to suspend your disbelief and accept that you're protected.

[00:14:55] And except that, one woman I was working with, she was like, she was given [00:15:00] this job offer and they offered her more money than she was expecting. And her imposter syndrome flared up huge. She was like, I don't deserve this. My head's going to be on the chopping block. It was definitely like the tall poppy syndrome.

[00:15:09] And I'm like, okay, the reality is your income is from above. Like they're the avenue to get it to you, but that's not where your value is being determined from and that's not where your income is coming from. Like you have a relationship with this company, you're going to show up and you're going to give value, but you don't have to worry about them coming after you because that's not where it's coming from.

[00:15:29] Just accept it. You're worth it. Move forward. But there is a bit of faith there.

[00:15:35] Scott Maderer: And I think sometimes too that it's much, and again, it's like what you said, it's not a good thing. It's not a bad thing. It's just a thing. We put so much of our value in what other people quote, think of us.

[00:15:48] And that's the, I'm going to put that in air quotes because usually you don't actually really know what other people think of you. What you're really doing is what you think other people think, but it, that's, we still, we put that in [00:16:00] that place of that's what determines my worth. Do other people like me?

[00:16:03] Do other people trust me? Do other people look up to me? Do other people think I'm smart? Do other, whatever, those sorts of value statements. And as you said, having a strong faith background sometimes allows us to go, wait a minute, that's not actually what determines my worth anyway.

[00:16:18] It's not that those things aren't important and it's not that I shouldn't listen to those things, but ultimately that's not really what determines my self worth. Is that kind of what you're saying?

[00:16:29] Hannah Tackett: Yes. Because ultimately you're value, you're worthy because you are protected.

[00:16:34] The things that we are afraid of, which is, we all have fears in common if you grew up in an environment where there's a lot of scarcity, or maybe you've seen thousands of people be laid off, it's reasonable to be afraid of job loss, or afraid of not enough. And when you shift that fear, and you're like, okay, this.

[00:16:52] That fear is trying to protect me. It has good intentions for me. That's fine. It's my critter brain, trying to keep me alive. But when you realize okay, just because I have a [00:17:00] little bit of that fear doesn't mean that I have to always be on, it doesn't mean I have to say yes to literally everything.

[00:17:05] It doesn't mean that I have to make all of these people happy all of the time to the point where I'm resenting that's not what that fear has to mean for you, that fear just means crap habits,

[00:17:14] Scott Maderer: you

[00:17:15] Hannah Tackett: know, but regardless, the reality is you're going to be okay.

[00:17:19] Scott Maderer: So when folks are in those places where they're starting to feel those symptoms of stress the burnout things, a lot of the advice that you see out there is around things, it it's coked it's put forward as self care, take care of yourself.

[00:17:33] But a lot of times it's Oh, go on vacation. Oh, get away for a weekend. Oh, do unplug for a weekend and these sorts of things. What do you see as some of the positive steps that people really need to take to not maybe just cure in the moment or feel better for the moment, but actually begin to make.

[00:17:50] sustainable change that helps them avoid, six weeks later, I'm just as stressed out, or maybe even more stressed out than I, I don't know about anyone else, but sometimes it's used to in the day, it was like, I went [00:18:00] on vacation, I came up from, came back from vacation, more stressed out than when I went on vacation, because now it's I've been gone a week, and I've got to catch up, as long as you dive right back in, and your stress level is even higher.

[00:18:11] So what are some of the things that folks can really do to make a change?

[00:18:15] Hannah Tackett: Absolutely. So yes, do those things, take your vacations, all of that. But what I found is really the difference between the Steve, like it's almost like a surprising, like secret key to ending burnout and making sure it never happens again is stepping into authenticity.

[00:18:29] And that sounds so woo, and it sounds so different than what you would expect. You'd be like, you mean, don't take a sabbatical? Don't, go to the spa? What do you mean, authenticity? But the reality is, when we are living our lives and pursuing goals with the pile of other people's expectations on us And we all end up, we, we all pick this stuff up, right?

[00:18:49] Like we're trying to succeed. We see how they did it. We're going to do it the way they did it, but it starts to feel off. Or maybe our parents really wanted us to be a doctor growing up. So we became a doctor, like there's expectations, definitely that we're picking up [00:19:00] everywhere, all the shoulds.

[00:19:01] And I know, a lot of women, I work with a lot of women and their moms and all of these things. So they have a lot of shoulds. They should be making home dinner, homemade from scratch every single night. They should be able to do all of the things all of the time perfectly. So when we let go of the shoulds and we take a look at what actually matters to us, our core values.

[00:19:19] And we start living in accordance with those values. What that does is we end up prioritizing and aligning our actions with our values and beliefs and that reduces that internal conflict that can contribute to burnout. Because if we're living in dissonance, right? Like I'm doing all these things, but I'm not.

[00:19:34] Really living in line with my values. I'm living in line with what I think they should be. Or what other people think they should be. That creates dissonance and it is draining.

[00:19:42] Scott Maderer: It

[00:19:42] Hannah Tackett: also will reduce emotional exhaustion because when we start stepping into our values and expressing our thoughts, feelings and needs, honestly that openness can foster more genuine connections and support, and it creates a better environment where you feel understood and accepted, also that will drastically reduce your likelihood of [00:20:00] burnout.

[00:20:01] And it also increases our self awareness, because when we are being authentic and understanding our own boundaries, our own strengths and limitations, Then we can set realistic expectations for ourselves and others, and that will reduce the likelihood of overcommitment, which can lead to burnout. So it's really about radical honesty and integrity.

[00:20:21] that is the surprising key to ending burnout. It's not go to a spa for a week. Don't, it's not go take a two month sabbatical. It's not, put your job and churn butter in the woods. It's really about being radically honest with yourself.

[00:20:35] Scott Maderer: Unless your personal value is to Live in the woods and churn butter.

[00:20:38] Hannah Tackett: Right. True. And that can come out. That can come out of doing that, that deeper work. Yes.

[00:20:43] Scott Maderer: Yeah. And again, I think a lot of times, cause I, this is connected, but not connected. So a lot of the clients that I'm working with, it's around the areas of productivity and it's around the area of finances.

[00:20:54] And even there, it's the same kind of work, which is, okay, wait, what's [00:21:00] actually important to you? Okay, let's find a way to say yes to those things. And then this other stuff goes away. It's easier to say no to that stuff because you're doing the things that are actually in alignment with your real values.

[00:21:11] And you're, and I, so I've had clients that on paper, if I showed you their budget, you would go, Oh, they can solve all their problems. They just need to cut that thing out, whatever that thing is. But if that thing is fundamental to their values and to what's important to them, cutting that thing out is actually the worst solution to the problem.

[00:21:28] because it's never going to really stick. But if they get back in the line and give up other things, all of a sudden it's Oh yeah, this is easy. So it is, I think a lot of whether it's burnout, whether it's, debt, whether it's health, in these areas, I think part of the work is always getting back in line with, wait, what?

[00:21:48] What's really important to you? What's really your values? What's really your priorities? So given that and that authenticity work is so important, why don't we all do [00:22:00] that? Why is it that the easy part? Why is that sometimes so challenging for us? I

[00:22:05] Hannah Tackett: think, so I mentioned this success traps, right? So there's habits, there's behavioral habits that we have fallen into to fit in, to make other people happy, to survive, to thrive.

[00:22:16] And culturally, we want to belong and so we'll do what other people are doing and taking a moment to be like, who am I like that's not necessarily encouraged, it's not going to be part of your mid year review, so it's not ingrained in how we go about our lives, typically.

[00:22:33] And so while it sounds really, and it is simple, conceptually simple, it's also not easy. Like you just said. Yeah. So because it involves not just like beginning to understand who you are, which if you've been living this way for years, decades, like I know myself, like when I burnt out and when I got to that point, I was at a point in my life.

[00:22:53] If you asked me what I wanted for dinner, I didn't know. If you asked me what I wanted to watch on Netflix, I didn't know.

[00:22:59] Scott Maderer: Right. [00:23:00]

[00:23:00] Hannah Tackett: My sense of self was so diminished because I was spending every ounce of energy on everything else that I mean, I didn't even know what I, what were my values. No idea. I mean there are some clear ones, even at that point.

[00:23:11] Family, obviously, my kids, number one. But in general, I was just like, that's it. It was fuzzy, it was lost. But

[00:23:18] Scott Maderer: even there, you probably had some cloudiness around it. What I mean by that is it's, oh, family first, but what does that actually mean? Yes, what

[00:23:26] Hannah Tackett: does that mean for you? Because the way you do that might be different than how I do it.

[00:23:30] And they're both right? So yeah, so there are some steps. Oh wow,

[00:23:33] Scott Maderer: the laundry's not folded. Yeah, but is that a judgment?

[00:23:37] Hannah Tackett: Who does that matter to? Some people it is part of their core values.

[00:23:40] Scott Maderer: Absolutely. I, my mother would be one of them. Me, not so much.

[00:23:43] Hannah Tackett: And so yeah, so it's like the discovery process.

[00:23:46] And one simple thing that I do at the women I work with to help them like start to get in tune, because that's what we're doing. We're getting in tune. It's okay, look at your next week's schedule and we're going to color code it, but two colors. One is. Fatiguing, one is [00:24:00] energy giving, and we're going to, color code your calendar and just look at all the activities, all the things you've got going on and color code energy draining activities, let's call it red, do those red and the energy giving one screen, take a look at what you've got going on.

[00:24:14] If it's all red, it's time to start shifting the balance. Also by doing this, just by going through that action and like acknowledging. That something is draining your act, your energy. Cause sometimes we don't want to acknowledge that an activity is draining because we feel like we should like it, we should be doing it.

[00:24:31] We're obligated. But knowing that it's draining, even if it is something that we feel like we have to do, opens our eyes to, okay, there might be a different way to go about doing this. Maybe I can delegate it. Maybe I can outsource it. There's other ways to solve this problem. And if it is something that you absolutely have to do, at least right now, there's ways that you can lessen the drain.

[00:24:49] And so we start incorporating these strategies to start bringing their energy back. But yeah, so that's There's like this, five step solution, called the peace method. So the first one [00:25:00] is what you mentioned earlier, which is pursue your yes. So stepping into authenticity, getting clarity on what matters to you and then ditch all the shoulds, right?

[00:25:09] And then the second step is energizing your being. And that's where we, we do the basic, which many of us. have been ignoring, right? Because being healthy is not part of our culture right now, eating for energy, improving our sleep, connecting with loved ones, having some joyful movement in your life doing the basics of human self care, right?

[00:25:27] Resetting our nervous system and dealing with trauma, releasing that trauma. And then the third step is asserting our voice. And I know this is a biggie for a lot of women I work with. So we learn how to ask for what we want and get it. And then we learn, the ways to say no and gain confidence in doing so practicing and having scripts and rehearsing and it's a skill saying no is a skill and some of us don't learn it.

[00:25:50] And then addressing a sabotage. And then the C is like claiming your surplus because if you've done all of that, you're going to have more time and more energy. And so what we need to do then is make sure that you're taking ownership of that [00:26:00] time and energy and that it's being funneled in the direction that matters to you and it's in alignment with your values.

[00:26:06] Scott Maderer: So when you think about, two, is it also accurate to say that if you're already in those stress environments, you've already got to some of these triggers and some of these things that are going on that are causing you to be in the beginnings of burnout or on that journey, doesn't that also make it harder to do some of that authenticity work?

[00:26:28] Because it's almost like you said earlier, the woman that described it as pushing through white noise you have that noise going on. And that adds an additional layer of challenge to filtering through it. Is that accurate?

[00:26:41] Hannah Tackett: Yes. I think essentially what needs to happen is a decision. So hopefully your listeners will be like, I'm going to stop at resentment.

[00:26:49] I'm going to use that as my red flag. But oftentimes we do wait until we can't get out of bed. So usually there's a point where a line is crossed for us and we're like, this is unacceptable [00:27:00] because I'm not able to show up for my kids. Or there will be something that is. Cannot, will not be tolerated in your life.

[00:27:07] And then you step up and be like, okay, this is changing. I'm going to fix this. And it's never happening again. And that was the decision that led me onto my path. And it's usually the decision that leads women to me is some, there's a line that's been crossed or oftentimes also like they've burned out before and they are almost out of it.

[00:27:24] And they're starting a new job or they're starting a new adventure and they're looking at it. I already see the patterns happening. It's going to happen again. I'm going to burn out again. I'm done with this. We're not burning out anymore. So it's a decision where you're like, This is important enough to me to get the help I need and to make the changes that need to happen.

[00:27:45] Scott Maderer: Absolutely. So I've got a few questions that I like to ask all of my guests, but before I ask you those, is there anything else about the work you do around burnout that you'd like to share with the listener?

[00:27:57] Hannah Tackett: I think it goes back to that motivation. You're saying like they're in the middle of [00:28:00] this white noise.

[00:28:00] How do they know they should do something about it? I think that there's a mindset shift where we've all been taught, not all of us, but many of us have been raised to be selfless, to be givers, which is wonderful. in moderation. But I think the shift that needs to happen is to realize that you are the linchpin of your life.

[00:28:16] If you don't take care of you, you're not going to show for your kids. You're not going to show for your husband. You're not going to be able to show up for your career or your business. So all the things that you are responsible for, I love that your podcast is called stewardship. All the things that you are a steward of are going to be hurt by you not taking care of you.

[00:28:36] So there, there is a responsibility. To be a good steward of your own health and your own personal growth and to prioritize that you're not being selfish. You're being a good steward.

[00:28:48] Scott Maderer: That brings us to the next question. My brand is inspired stewardship and I've learned that word stewardship means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

[00:28:56] So for you, when you hear the word stewardship, what does that word mean to [00:29:00] you?

[00:29:02] Hannah Tackett: I guess I think of it as ownership or responsibility. So I've been given this body. I am a steward of this body. I have been blessed with beautiful children. I'm a steward of their upbringing and their rearing and creating a beautiful environment for them to live in.

[00:29:19] I'm a steward of my marriage. I'm a, it's like what I'm responsible for, what I've taken on and claiming ownership of and it ranges from my body to my career and my relationships. So that's how I view it.

[00:29:33] Scott Maderer: This is my favorite question that I like to ask everybody. Imagine for a moment that I could invent this magic machine and with this machine, I was able to take you from where you are today and trans, Port you into the future, maybe 150, maybe 250 years, but through the power of this machine, you were able to look back and see your entire life, see all of the connections, see all of the ripples, see all of the impacts you've left behind, what impact do you hope you've left in the world?

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[00:30:01] Hannah Tackett: think for the most significant impact I'd be interested in seeing is my children and grandchildren. Were they raised, were they physically and emotionally healthy? Were they able to create healthy relationships with others? and then what kind of impact did they have? So I think first level, like the first layer would be my family.

[00:30:18] And then the second layer would be the impact that I'm having on others, like through, for example this business where I help women and burnout, what ripple effect did that have when they turned their life around? We ended the fatigue, they were able to go back to work. They were able to start a new venture.

[00:30:33] They're showing up for their kids in ways that they never had before. Like what was the ripple effect of that? So I think that would be really interesting and to see what kind of, in terms of impact, like those would be the impacts that I think I would look for right now. As a mom, it's in the midst of raising young children and, and this is where I'm actively helping people.

[00:30:55] Scott Maderer: Absolutely. So what's coming next, what's on the roadmap as you continue on this [00:31:00] journey?

[00:31:00] Hannah Tackett: Let's see. I've got a podcast that's coming out end of summer. So very excited about that. Serene success. So we're talking about all things success and sustainable success. So wellness tips and business and career.

[00:31:17] That is exciting.

[00:31:18] Scott Maderer: Absolutely. That, and you said that should be coming out end of summer 2024. So August timeframe or

[00:31:24] Hannah Tackett: yes. Okay. August.

[00:31:27] Scott Maderer: Great. When that comes out, I'll drop a link to that over in the show notes as well. So folks can go find it and check it out. You can find out more about Hannah over on her website at serene success.

[00:31:40] net. And of course I'll have a link to that in the show notes as well. Hannah, anything else you'd like to share with the list? Sure.

[00:31:47] Hannah Tackett: Absolutely. So if any of this conversation resonated with you and you're thinking, okay, I'm definitely the people pleaser or I'm the overachiever or this, these things are hitting, or I'm exhausted and I don't know why. I have a quiz where you can go through [00:32:00] and identify which of the five success traps are limiting you the most and what are the next steps to get you unblocked and turn things around for yourself. And you can find that the serene success. net slash quiz.

[00:32:12] Scott Maderer: Awesome. So I'll put a note to I'll put a link to that as well over in the show notes so that folks can find it. And that's at serene success. net slash quiz. So thanks so much for that. That's a great gift for anyone that's in that place where they're beginning to think maybe this is something I need to do some work on.

[00:32:29] So thank you for sharing that with the listener as well.

[00:32:33] Hannah Tackett: Thank you so much.

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