Episode 1581: Interview with Heather Wilson, Founder of GiveSendGo, a Faithful Crowdfunding Platform

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Scott Maderer: [00:00:00] Thanks for joining us on episode 1,581 of the Inspired Stewardship podcast.

Heather Wilson: I'm Heather Wilson. I challenge you to invest in yourself, invest in others, and develop your influence and impact the world by using your time, your talent, and your treasures to live out your calling. Having the ability to say yes to God is key, and one way to be inspired to do that is to listen to this the Inspired Stewardship Podcast with my friend Scott Maderer.

If you ask any one of our employees, they know our goal at gifts and go, yes, we want to provide easy payment processing and good campaign creation and all the things, right? But the core of what we do that we point to at time and time again in every department is are we sharing the hope of Jesus through crowdfunding?

And so with that, we go, okay, well then how do we share hope? [00:01:00]

Scott Maderer: Welcome and thank you for joining us on the Inspired Stewardship Podcast. If you truly desire to become the person who God wants you to be, then you must learn to use your time, your talent, and your treasures for your true calling. In the Inspired Stewardship Podcast, you will learn to invest in your.

Invest in others and develop your influence so that you can impact the world.

In today's podcast episode, I interview Heather Wilson. I ask Heather about how her faith intersected with her business, gives and go. I also ask Heather about how faith intersects with both her growth and the business culture she's created. By being challenged to do hard things. I have a great book that's been out for a while now called Inspired Living Assemble the Puzzle of Your Calling by Mastering Your Time, your Talent, and your [00:02:00] Treasures.

You can find out more about that book over@inspiredlivingbook.com. It'll take you to a page where there's information and you can sign up to get some mailings about it, as well as purchase a copy there. I'd love to see you. Get a copy and share with me how it impacted your world. In 2014, three siblings had a vision.

What if crowdfunding could go beyond just funding material needs, and also provide hope for people's spiritual needs out of that conversation? Give Sin Go. Was born after a year of development and challenges. The platform was officially launched in early 2015. And Heather Wilson, along with her siblings, played a pivotal role in shaping gifts and go into what it is today.

A platform that not only empowers individuals to raise funds for various needs, but also encourages spiritual support from its humble beginnings to its official public launch in 2015, Heather's [00:03:00] dedication to creating a platform that puts people's faith and needs first has driven its success. With guidance from their faith and through prayer, Heather and her team decided that Gifts and Go was created to be a platform where people could fundraise freely without fear of censorship, always staying true to their mission of sharing the hope of Jesus.

Welcome to the show, Heather.

Heather Wilson: Thank you for having me. It's so good to be here, Scott.

Scott Maderer: Absolutely. I looking forward to our conversation today. So I shared a lot in the intro about some of the things you've done and the site gives and go, which the story of where that came from is interesting to me and we're dive probably more into that as we talk today.

But let's back up a little bit. Go into the story behind the story. I always think intros and those sorts of things don't really tell the whole story of our journey. So go a little bit more into kind of what's the story behind the story that brought you to this point?

Heather Wilson: Yeah, great question. [00:04:00] I grew up I was born how far back do you want me to go back? Was it in a

Scott Maderer: lock cabin in Kentucky?

Heather Wilson: No. Okay, so you're not Abraham Lincoln. Got it.

I actually grew up in a very large family, so there were 12 of us. I had six brother. Oh, wow. And five sisters. Same mom and dad. Not Catholic, no.

Twins. Those are the cal the questions I get up in Southern New Hampshire. With the mom and dad who loved the Lord, who worked hard and did a great job raising our family to be close and to follow Jesus. And but

Scott Maderer: you didn't have any choice but to be 12 close with 12 of you.

Heather Wilson: Exactly. Exactly.

There's no space to spread out if we didn't wanna be close. It actually is a joke that I make often about crowdfunding 'cause that's. This field I find myself in. I said my whole life was crowd. Something. Might as well go into crowdfunding. You just asked

Scott Maderer: your, you just asked your brothers and sisters to donate and that's it.

That's the Exactly, there's the crowd,

Heather Wilson: please. There's always a crowd for [00:05:00] everything. But. I, so I grew up in Southern New Hampshire, a large family, got married in my early twenties, and to a guy who did it and then also went in into ministry for a period of time as a worship pastor. End up having four kids and moving down to Maryland where he took a job as a worship pastor.

Thought we were done with the growing of our family. And when I was turning 40 and my youngest was 10, I found out I was pregnant. And, not in my plans at all. But yet here comes this little girl with a head full of hair that changed our lives. And one of the ways they changed our lives, she changed our lives was because of that 10 year gap, we decided we would foster care.

And so we wanted to adopt a child. During that season, I'm gonna make this long story short we end up getting five siblings. That had been emergency removed from their home. So our family of four turned to a family of nine. It was supposed to be 15 days, turned to two years. [00:06:00] And at this time the idea of gifts and go was coming up as well.

My family a few of my siblings were sitting around a table talking about watching GoFundMe and some of these other platforms that were starting to arise on the back of social media. And we said, that's such a cool idea. And as Christians sounds almost like that. The book of Acts where it says when somebody had a need, everybody came together and gave what they could.

And we thought, what if we were to make a platform that was a Christian platform that people could come on and help each other with the financial needs? And then we would also share hope with them. Maybe they're not a Christian when they come on and we could actually share that hope with them. And so gifts and Go was born, I was running through, having nine kids in my home.

Life was chaotic and. I find that it's such a cool journey and an adventure when you say yes to God.

Scott Maderer: So there's a ton there to unpack, but what made y'all think about foster care and adoption, do you think? You said the 10 year gap, but [00:07:00] that's, I, there's gotta be more to it than just that.

Heather Wilson: We had talked about it like in the past, because you always hear the Bible actually says take care of the widows and orphans. It is a command. If you wanna love God, this is how you do it. And so it had always been something we had talked about and it just never. Fit like in our life and the different moves we had and things like that.

And all of a sudden we, like I said, we had that 10 year gap and we looked at, my husband and I looked at each other and said, we're gonna be raising kids for the rest of our lives. We thought we were almost done, and now we have a. 20 plus more years. And so we thought let's see about this. And the way God arranged the whole thing to have these kids come into our house, it's just like one miracle after a miracle.

In our busy schedule for the arrangement of going through the home study process and the classes and all the things that came with it. It was like an open door after open door. And then as we waited for the, for them to [00:08:00] give us a placement, we were like, okay, maybe this isn't gonna happen.

And then when we got the call, the five siblings, it was like, oh my gosh, this was the God when we said we wanted to fill the gap with the child, we did not mean every age they were ages. My son, my youngest, my. Previous youngest was now 11 years old, and we had a 10, 9, 8, 6, and 5-year-old foster kids, and then my daughter was turning two.

And so we said, wow, God, you actually did fill the gap. And so that's why we really did it because we just had the space to do it in life.

Scott Maderer: So talk a little bit more about the faith journey that you've been on. You've mentioned growing up that way. You've mentioned feeling called by God, but unpack a little bit how has your faith guided you on the making, the decisions you've made and living out the journey that you've been on?

Heather Wilson: Sure. I think it and every day that goes by, I [00:09:00] think it gets more entwined. That my faith, it's not I have my work and then I have my family and I have my faith and they're all things, and I have to try to figure out how to blend them. My faith really has become who I am. It actually has become my identity, which is great because for so long I sought my identity and so many other things like, Hey, I wanna be a great mom and I want everybody to say you're a great mom and I wanna be a great business owner, and all those things.

And all of a sudden I'm like, no. My identity is because Jesus died on a cross and loves me and my faith has become who I am in my business. It's who I am and in my family, it's who I am. And in my choosing foster care, it's who I was. It was like, God, I want to do. We have such limited time and the older I get, the more I see how much, how fast life goes by, and I go, I have limited time to make a difference here.

God. Let me say yes to the right things.

Scott Maderer: [00:10:00] And talking about that saying yes to the right things. How do you know when you're saying yes to the things that God is calling you to do? And how do you know when it's maybe you're saying yes to things. 'cause there's a difference between God's calling me to do it and then going do something and being like, Hey God, help me out with this.

That kind of, and yet. Sometimes it's confusing or difficult to discern. How do you lean into that?

Heather Wilson: Yeah, it is a wrestle because a lot of times you can go one extreme or the other I'm just gonna do whatever, and God, I hope you're there to catch me if I fall. Or God, I'm not doing anything until I get a word.

And from three people confirmed and I see that license plate that tells me these numbers to tell. Like you can go, you go into very opposite directions and I really believe that there's a middle ground there where you first, it's a relationship with Jesus. And so [00:11:00] if you are having a relationship where you're reading your Bible, you're pouring into actually trying to have a relationship with the God of this universe.

Then you actually go and do take steps and things, and God will direct your path. He says he will. And so you have to go and start walking and saying, God, I have relationship with you. I'm gonna trust that you'll shut the doors that you want, shut and open the doors that you wanna open. And it's not always gonna be this big lightning.

Moment where you're like, I know he said yes. Sometimes it will be, and it won't always be like, I know a hundred percent God, am I supposed to go this way? You won't always know, but if you have a legitimate relationship with a, with God that you're trying to walk out faithfully, he is. Going to be a God that walks with you and journeys with you.

That's all I can say. There's not an easy formula. I I wish I had a formula that said read these three scriptures and ask four people. But it really comes down [00:12:00] to a personal relationship.

Scott Maderer: What what, where did the idea for the crowdfunding platform come from? You mentioned that there were other ones out there, but talk a little bit more about what birthed that your own heart.

Heather Wilson: Yeah, so actually my sister called me and she said, Hey, Heather. We were just sitting around the table talking about crowdfunding and you know what that is, and I was like, yeah, I think I gave to someone's campaign months. And she said, I don't think there's any, christian or religious or anything that like leads to the faith side of things, platform out there.

And I was, we were talking around the dinner table and I don't know, what are your what are your thoughts on this? And we started just discussing it and I, out of my siblings. Probably in one of the more technical ones. I worked in marketing and designing websites basic websites, not like gifts and go, but like WordPress type things.

And so I, I was in that world of [00:13:00] always being a little more on the technology side. And I looked over at my husband, I was, had her on the phone and I looked over at my husband and I said, Hey, my siblings are talking about what, like GoFundMe and some of these crowdfunding things are. He was like, yeah, I said, they're talking about that'd be a cool idea to make one, do you care if I offer to join them? And he was like, I don't care. And so I was like, Hey, I know you guys are just talking like spit balling and this is a great idea and I would love, if you're really considering this, I think it's a great idea. I'd love to join you in this.

No idea where this journey was going to go. It was again. Being like, God put something in front of me and I believe he sparked an interest in it and 10 years later, here we are.

Scott Maderer: So what's been some of the biggest challenges that have come? Because I would imagine that there's. There's obviously the technical [00:14:00] challenges, the how do I handle the technology and the mechanics and all of that.

But then you've also tried to create this as more of, like you said, a an outreach, a way of sharing the gospel and treating it like the church and acts. What have been some of the biggest challenges on both of those sides and how have y'all handled or approached being able to balance between the faith-driven side and then the practical side of how do I actually mechanically do this thing?

Heather Wilson: It's. Been a journey because neither my brother, sister, nor I had real technical. We couldn't just sit down and make the site we have today. So we had to find somebody and find somebody we trusted to help. So that was the challenge of just going, we know nothing about this world. My sister had a home.

Cleaning business. My brother was out of the navy flipping homes and I was a stay at home mom with all these foster kids. Like none [00:15:00] of us came where it was like, this makes sense. And so that was just a challenge in the walking out of learning what is crowdfunding, how does it work, what is payment processing, what is verification?

So we had a lot of those challenges just along the way of building any business learning the lessons that need to be learned. Some of the harder challenges for me. Were like I, I mentioned earlier a little bit my identity, I became so wrapped up in give and Go was like, what I, oh, I'm one of the founders of Give and Go.

That if I ever felt like I wasn't getting the recognition or the. The response, or maybe one of my other siblings was getting it. I could feel it, be like, wait, I'm important too. And that was a really hard challenge for me in building something that was actually exploding and be going in front of the world to be like, no, this isn't my identity.

If it was taken away from me, this isn't who I am. This is just what God's called me to do. So that was a personal challenge for me. But, and then the last challenge is just we have found [00:16:00] ourselves in some firestorms in this whole. A world we see of censorship where a lot of big tech take down campaigns that they disagree with or are one side of the aisle politically or the other.

And we decided that we weren't gonna do that. That we were going to try to stay center and allow people, as long as it wasn't illegal and not terrorists and all the we have a legal structure in the United States that. Says what you can do and not do. And so we allowed some legal defense funds for some people that people did not like.

Yeah. And. We got so much hate and firestorm from allowing these for someone to have legal defense. To raise money for legal defense. And that was really difficult for me because I'm a people pleaser and when people are writing in saying. I hope you burn in hell like you are horrible.

How dare you allow this? Like you are not a [00:17:00] Christian. You're dragging God's name through the mud. That's the last thing I want to do. So those were the wrestles. When people are. In social media, people are brutal.

Scott Maderer: Oh. Especially if they can be anonymous.

Heather Wilson: And they do it, they make up these profiles and they send out these emails that are not real email addresses and they can.

So that was really a hard challenge of growing a background backbone and realizing, what do I wanna stand for in life? And then standing for it doesn't matter what everybody else is saying.

Scott Maderer: And it wasn't in, in this case, you weren't taking a position of I'm only gonna support right wing causes or left wing causes, or blue, red, green, yellow, whatever.

It was much more of a

Heather Wilson: Christians, it was like, this is for people to fundraise and 99.9% of the campaigns on gifts and go are like. My friend's house burnt down, down, and we need that. My daughter has cancer. My pet is going through something, got hit by a car and needs [00:18:00] I'm going on a missions trip, I'm adopting it's these great people helping people moments, but the ones that can drown out some of that, awesome, amazing stuff that's happening. Some of the ones are the ones that get picked up by the news because we wanna be controversial in the news. And those are the ones that are hard to navigate and it's not because. We, I might have a personal opinion on something.

I have that you may

Scott Maderer: not don donate to their campaign, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a campaign. Exactly.

Heather Wilson: And that it's hard for people to understand that.

Scott Maderer: Yeah. Yeah. It it's, again, it's the same thing I've seen happen and I'll use the court a as an example of where people decide that somebody's guilty and it's okay, but they.

Have been accused they've been accused of a crime, they have a presumption of innocence, and yet what does that really look like? Sometimes that doesn't look like what we think it looks like for [00:19:00] many people, and again, that's on both sides of the aisle there, there's people on either side of the aisle of different races, different sexes, whatever.

And when you look into it sometimes it's eh, wait a minute. This isn't really presumption of innocence. Everyone's already decided they're guilty. Guilty. We don't even know what the evidence is. And they might be guilty. Yeah, they may be, but it's, yeah, but

Heather Wilson: we still that's, yeah.

Scott Maderer: Yeah.

That's the difference between like sometimes it is even there are people that it's I think they're guilty, but I don't think they've been proven guilty. And that's two different statements. They may have done it, but can you prove that they've done it well? What is all

Heather Wilson: the evidence? Because what is the evidence?

Yeah. You don't know something. What if the clip of somebody beating somebody up, you don't see off clip with somebody holding a gun to that person's head. Now you've made all, because you've made an assumption based on what Limited evidence that looks real. True. So we say, let all the evidence come out, [00:20:00] even if they got caught in the act or whatever.

Let's just have the same trial justice system for everybody and then. That's principle, right? If you start tweaking it for different people based on race, religion, sex, money, all of that, you're not principled anymore. So standing principle has been the journey that's of gives and go.

Scott Maderer: And that's been a bigger, the bigger challenge to how to stay true to that.

Yeah. Yeah. And I would I would agree with you that I think that is often the. The Christian outlook, but it is often also the one that's criticized and said, 'cause if you don't agree with me, then you must not be Christian. It's no, that's actually not necessarily true. How have you worked faith into the actual business side of what y'all do in terms of the culture that you create and how you work with employees and that kind of thing.

Heather Wilson: So we decided [00:21:00] early on that our mission statement was going to just be bold. It wasn't gonna be eight sentences on a wall somewhere that we read once in a while. It was actually gonna be something we all knew and was gonna be the core of who we are. And our mission statement at Give Send Go is to share the hope of Jesus through crowdfunding.

So very succinct. You ask any one of our employees, they know our goal at Gifts and go, yes, we wanna. Provide easy payment processing and good campaign creation and all the things, right? But the core of what we do that we point to a time and time again in every department is are we sharing the hope of Jesus through crowdfunding?

And so with that, we go, okay, then how do we share hope? That's great to say we don't know these people. They come on the platform. Yes, we send out Bible verses and we can we have a Pray Now button on their campaign. But how can we share hope? And so what we decided to do is hire what we call our hope team.

And our hope team is a group of people. They're actually a paid. [00:22:00] Staff position that gives think a whole department. And what they do is they call campaigns and said, Hey, I just read your campaign about your granddaughter's car accident. Can I just pray with you right now? Listen to you hear what's going on in your life.

And we have seen over and over again, people responding, going, I can't believe a big tech company's calling me to ask me to pray with me. We've had atheists go, I don't even believe. I don't even believe in God, but yet that you care enough about what I'm going through that you would call, it's been an amazing journey and that just trickles into everything.

Every department in Give Sen go. We, not everybody that actually works from us, we have some overseas developers who aren't Christians. And. Same thing. We wanna share the hope of Jesus internally. We've seen staff members become Christians that were on the fence oh, I used to be, and then I'm an atheist now.

And now say, Nope. I love Jesus and I wanna share His the hope. [00:23:00] And so it's being vocal and then finding ways to say, actually how can we do this?

Scott Maderer: So I also noticed that on the site as, as well as the regular kind of crowdsourcing campaigns, you have a team what's called the giver army, I think.

That look more charitable charity fundraising. Can you talk a little bit about what that is that's different than the typical kind of crowdfunding campaign that I think everyone's familiar with?

Heather Wilson: Sure. So the Giver Army is one of my favorite things, so I'm glad you asked about it. 'cause if you didn't, when you ask if I have anything to say, I wouldn't talk about the giver.

I would've talked about the giver army because the giver army. So crowdfunding, you need a crowd of people to make it work. You need people, you ask them for money and then they come alongside you. And they're early on in Gibson Go. We were like, there's a lot of people writing in that said this just doesn't work.

And we were like, did something not. Was it breaking? Did something break? And [00:24:00] they said no, no one's giving. And we said did you share your campaign? And they said, no, I have no one to share it to. And we thought I don't know what universe you live in, but I don't know of just crowds of people looking to give other people money.

We all have our bills. We all have the people that we're connected to, to give money to. So like you're a stranger on the internet needing to pay your electric bill. So do I. And so we thought, okay, what if we were to build a crowd of people for the crowd list? The Giver Army was born and we moved it over to our charity.

We have Give Sen Go Charities, which is a separate entity. But we moved the Giver Army over to the charity. And what people do is that they sign up. You can go to giver army.com, you can get to it from Give and Go's homepage. If you ever make a donation, it'll prompt you. Do you wanna be a part of this?

And you say, I will make a recurring donation every month, $5 minimum up to however much you just pick and what category [00:25:00] you want. And it could be pets, it could be medical, it could be. Pro-life, it could be adoption. All, all different. There's 12 different categories. One general category, whatever's like the most needed, and every month your money gets pooled with everybody else's money in that category, and then gets dispersed to campaigns on gifts and go, that might need a little help.

And so we're building this army of generous people that are making huge ripples. In the world of stepping in and saying, listen, you might not have a crowd, but we're gonna help you out a little bit here. And it's been amazing to watch. And as that grows, I can just picture one day having 500,000 people a part of the, that's a fraction of the people who live in the United States being a part of the giver Army, each giving $5.

And then every month paying off all the campaigns on gifts and go. And it's just an amazing thing. And so we're growing that and we're watching people join this army every year. We have a party in the fall, [00:26:00] a giver Army gala, where we invite all the givers that are part of the Army as a free party and say, come on out.

And we're gonna share the stories of what. God did with your money. The stories of the people who received your money and how maybe thank yous from them or videos from them and we have just this fun look at what God's doing, party for our givers. It's really a cool thing.

Scott Maderer: So I do have a few questions that I like to ask all of my guests, but before I ask those, what else from the work that you do or the platform that you've created, would you like to share?

I.

Heather Wilson: The giver army would be one of those things. But I also think that we have a prayer wall on gifts and go, you don't have to need a campaign and you can go to that prayer wall and you can pray for other people's requests or put your own praise or praise or request on there. And people are using that wall.

So if you [00:27:00] are like, Hey, I love praying for people, go to the gifts and go prayer wall. Or if you have a need. Go and put your need there. People are coming to our prayer wall to pray. We really do believe that prayer is as important, if not more. It is more important than the financial aspect, and we know the financial aspect's really important.

Gifts and go is for everybody. It's easy to set up. You can set it up in minutes, and it doesn't only have to be for yourself. If you know somebody that got in a car accident and they're in the hospital, you can actually set up a campaign for them. And choose them as the recipient so you don't have to touch the money.

'cause that's a lot of worry for people. I don't wanna touch the money, my taxes, all the things. You don't have to even touch the money you put their email address in. They get something when they're ready to go. And collect the money that they put their bank account and we do the verification and all of that on them.

But you can start campaigns for people and immediately start raising money with somebody else, being the one [00:28:00] raising, collecting the fees. And I think that's always that like people are hesitant to step in because they're like, I don't wanna touch the money well on gifts and go, you look for ways to step in and create campaigns for people.

Scott Maderer: Awesome. So my brand has inspired stewardship and I run things through that lens of stewardship, and yet I've also discovered over the years that stewardship is one of those words that means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. So for you, when you hear the word stewardship, what does that word mean to you?

Heather Wilson: Growing up in church and stuff, it always you'd have stewardship month or whatever, and it's the time you're gonna be told to give to the church because you have to be a steward and you give your tithe and all of that. But as I grow older, again, I've said that often I must be feeling old.

'cause I keep saying as I'm getting older I realized that the word stewardship is just taking care of what's been entrusted to you. And everything [00:29:00] we have has been entrusted to us from our money, absolutely. But our time, our talents, the opportunities that come to us, our children, like we are stewards, like it is what we are called to manage in this life.

And you can have lots of money or little money and still be a steward. You can be really busy or have lots of free time and still need to be a steward and, everything. We have our talents, like how are you going to use them? God said, I gave them to you. How are you going to use your talents to build the kingdom of God, to point people to Jesus, to a relationship with Jesus.

And so to me, steward stewardship just means God has given us a life on this earth. What are we gonna do with it?

Scott Maderer: So this is my favorite question that I like to ask everybody. Heather, imagine for a minute that I could invent this magic machine and with this machine I was able to. Pluck you from where you are today and transport you into the future, maybe 150, maybe 250 [00:30:00] years, and through the power of this machine, you were able to look back and see your entire life and see all of the connections, all of the impacts, all of the ripples you've left behind.

What impact do you hope you've had in the world?

Heather Wilson: If I could say anything, and I really mean this is, I hope that there are people who have found a relationship. With Jesus. It really is good news. I hope my children. Have left behind legacies as well. I really even more than my life, I know I'll have ripples and there are things you know that people that I've impacted in my life, but I want my children to love Jesus, and I want their children and their children, and that is what I wanna leave behind this in this world is.

Is generations. There's that verse and that a song like To a Thousand Generations and their children and their children. And when I sing that, like I honestly say, God, I want my life not to just impact the hundred years I have give or take [00:31:00] on this earth. I want it to go to thousands of generations because I was faithful to what you call me to do.

Scott Maderer: So what's on the roadmap? What's on next on your journey as you continue on?

Heather Wilson: Oh, good question. Continuing to make gifts and go the global leader in online crowdfunding. That is our vision statement. We want to be the leader. We're in 80 countries right now. But for me personally, I've, I have a real strong heart for women mothers, just wanting to pour in. I volunteer at a Mom Co, which used to be mops as mothers of preschoolers. I pour into that. I no longer have preschoolers. But, I really feel like we are in a weird cultural thing where, you know, most of the time people can't define a woman. But we're called women are called to follow Jesus and use how God created us.

And so I [00:32:00] think part of where God is going to lead me in my life is into more women's ministries. I speak at women's conferences and I. Lead one of my own here on the Eastern Shore. And I just finished a book called Are You That Dude's Girlfriend Learning to Love Like Jesus. That's the first phrase.

When the kids met me, the foster kids, they're like, are you, they had met my husband first, so they said, are you that dude's girlfriend? And so my book's called, are You That Dude's Girlfriend Learning to Love Like Jesus, and it's a book about my season that. Almost two years having these kids in my house and thinking that loving like Jesus I did a good job at it and then realizing, loving like Jesus' sacrifice. And so I think that this is part of the, some of these adventures, the adventures of gifts and go the growth God has done loving like Jesus. Even when people hate us through my foster care [00:33:00] journey of that time, I think that God's gonna use a lot of these stories where I said yes, and he grew me and he strengthened me and he taught me a lot.

It's going to continue growing and I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to flourish in some women's ministry avenues.

Scott Maderer: So you can find out more about Heather Wilson and give send, go over@givesendgo.com. Of course. I'll have a link to that in the show notes as well. You could learn more there about the Giver's Army and all of the other campaigns that are there.

Heather, is there anything else you'd like to share with the listener?

Heather Wilson: I feel like we've covered so much today. I, if you're listening again, remember the three words, give, send, go give, send, go the place where you can go and fundraise for any of your needs, and then also share hope with people while you're doing it, and we'll share hope with you.

[00:34:00] Just press into Jesus, have that relationship. He has amazing adventures. If you're not living an adventure, you're doing it wrong because that's what he has for each one of us. So tho those would be my final words.

Scott Maderer: Thank you.

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