Episode 1682: Interview with Dr. Wayne Wilson About Coaching Leadership

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Scott Maderer: [00:00:00] Thanks for joining us on episode 1,682 of the Inspired Stewardship podcast

Dr. Wayne Wilson: I'm Dr. Wayne Wilson. I challenge you to invest in yourself, invest in others, develop your influence, and impact the world by using your time, your talent, and your treasures to live out your calling. Having the ability to see the impact you make is key, and the one way to be inspired to do that is to listen to this, the Inspired Stewardship Podcast, with my good friend, Scott Maderer.

Here's what I learned in the period of about 15 years. People are people and God loves every- everybody. And so I, I really began to cultivate this [00:01:00] theology that says there really is no separation between sacred and secular.

Scott Maderer: Welcome and thank you for joining us on the Inspired Stewardship podcast. If you truly desire to become the person who God wants you to be, then you must learn to use your time, your talent, and your treasures for your true calling.

In the Inspired Stewardship podcast, you will learn to invest in yourself, invest in others, and develop your influence so that you can impact the world

In

today's podcast episode, I interview Dr. Wayne Wilson. I ask Wayne about his definition of calling and if it's more than just what we do for a living. I also ask Wayne about how we can lose track of our calling while living it out, and I ask Wayne about how his experience helps leaders live their calling without losing

[00:02:00] themselves.

I have a great book that's been out for a while now called Inspired Living: Assemble the Puzzle of Your Calling by Mastering Your Time, Your Talent, and Your Treasures. You can find out more about that book over at inspiredlivingbook.com. It'll take you to a page where there's information and you can sign up to get some mailings about it, as well as purchase a copy there.

I'd love to see you get a copy and share with me how it impacted your world.

Dr. Wayne Wilson is an executive coach, culture strategist, and leadership catalyst with over 30 years of experience across corporate leadership, psychotherapy, and

organizational development. He's coached senior leaders in healthcare, transportation, and mission-driven sectors to align performance with purpose and lead with emotional intelligence.

As the former director of organizational development at Schneider Fleet Solutions and founder of Schneider University, Wayne is recognized for helping teams pivot through change

and [00:03:00] embed trust-driven, values-based leadership at every level. His bold yet empathetic coaching style helps executives elevate retention, engagement, and leadership impact, especially during transitions or high-stress periods.

Welcome to the show, Wayne.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

Scott Maderer: Absolutely. I'm looking forward to our conversation today. I talked a little bit in the intro about some of the work you do now and the, a little bit about your history and things that you've done in corporate and psychotherapy and organizational work and all of that.

But at the same time, I always think of intros kind of like Instagram photos. We frame the story just right, you know, we frame the intr- information just right. And what I like highlighting sometimes is that I don't think our journeys are ever that clean and that straight. So take us back in time a little bit and share a little bit about your journey and what's brought you to the point where this is the message that you feel [00:04:00] called to share.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Very good. Excellent Well, I will, uh, I will try and make... Let's see. I'm, uh, I'm officially a senior citizen, so- ... uh, this goes back 40 years-ish but 35 to 40 years ago, I thought I wanted to be an advertising executive. And I went to a small liberal arts college, Georgetown College. Shout out, hey, to Georgetown College graduates.

I went to a little liberal arts college in Kentucky called Georgetown College. Met my beautiful wife there, and was a mass communications major. My, my ambition was to end up an advertising executive. I-

Scott Maderer: Why advertising?

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Because as a kid I was enamored. My search for a college was colleges with [00:05:00] active mass communication departments.

I wanted to be able to, to get involved in media and mass communications. And I just thought the best place to do that, to end up, would be in an advertising executive role. I was a 19-year-old kid. What did I know, right? So I this is a long story to say that I was the director of the college radio station.

I was the photo editor in the newspaper, the college newspaper, and on weekends I would drive to, uh, WKYT in Lexington, Kentucky, and edit video. I was in every elm every arm of media that I could think of to, to prepare myself for that. So where that ended is I ended selling advertising at a radio station.

Scott Maderer: Yeah.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: If you've got listeners who's ever sold radio advertising, uh, you know that the magic of making a living [00:06:00] selling radio advertising is to have advertising agencies as an account. So that was really the end goal. So that was my in. So I worked really hard to, uh, get to know and learn folks in advertising agency, and Scott, I did not like them at all.

I, it was crushing that I had spent four years and all that preparation, and I really did not like the people. I didn't like the industry. I didn't like... I described it as dark, right? It was just kind of a ethically, morally, spiritually kind of dark place. Went home in tears, told my wife, "I can't do this. I just can't.

I can't do this." And resigned that position and went to Louisville, Kentucky, and enrolled in the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, and here's the one thing that was in my head. I really just wanna help people. When I went to graduate school, I knew I didn't really wanna be a [00:07:00] pastor, but I wanted to be in ministry 'cause I just wanted to help people, and that's where that lens took me.

To zoom in closer to that, in the course of that, I ended up working a part-time job on an adolescent psychiatric unit. I used to tell people the way I learned to be a helper is they locked me up- ... on a psychiatric unit with teenagers for eight hours a day and said, "Keep control and don't let them kill themselves."

Scott Maderer: And,

Dr. Wayne Wilson: and- Or kill somebody

Scott Maderer: else ... I was gonna say, in the- Right ... in the psych unit as adolescents, you're dealing with a lot of suicidal ideation-

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Yeah, that's the- ... and all that ... that's the goal. My, my job was don't let them kill themselves, don't let them kill each other.

Scott Maderer: Yeah.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Uh, other than that, they're yours for eight hours.

And that's where I learned people skills, and that's where I learned to talk people through things. And then I, I got, uh, I, I got a master's degree in pastoral care and counseling. Loved the professors in the pastoral care and counseling department. Loved... They were the opposite of the advertising agency.

They were [00:08:00] people of integrity. I told my wife one time, "I don't exactly know what they do in pastoral care and counseling, but I wanna be like that." So I really wanted to be like those professors. Got a master's degree, ended up with a doctorate in counseling and organizational psychology, and went to work in the church and started building counseling centers in churches.

Went to Lou- went to, from Louisville, Kentucky to here, North Carolina. Started a... Took over a little counseling center in Statesville, built one in Mooresville, built one in Mocksville, built one in, uh, Elkin, and took one over in Wilkesboro. At one point, I was running four counseling centers, all nonprofits with Wake Forest Baptist Health and loved it, was in the zone.

And it, uh, it was exhausting. And at, at 50, because I didn't have a good coach, uh, I, I, I burned [00:09:00] out, Scott. I just really burned out. I fried, and I left the industry. I left mental health. Uh, surrendered my license to provide counseling and started a coaching practice called Pivot Services that I still own and have.

And one of my clients hired me to be the director of professional development internally, and I went to be an internal coach at Schneider Fleet Solutions, and I ended up designing and implementing Schneider University. I built their entire learning and development program. It's a thousand-employee company, 11 states, half a billion dollar company.

I got to learn corporate life from the inside out. I was a member of the HR team. I ended up designing their talent management strategy, doing performance evalu- you name it. I was the people guy. That's what they called me. I was the people guy at Schneider, and I learned corporate life inside and out. And that all brings me here, because my mission in life is that no one ever has to [00:10:00] go through what I went through as an executive leader and that I've had, God has given me the privilege of knowing organizations from the outside and knowing organizations from the inside.

And what I tell my clients is, "I don't know everything about your business, Scott, but I know a thing or two 'cause I've seen a thing or two." I got 30 years of marriage and family individual psychotherapy. I've pastored churches and I've worked on the inside of a pretty large organization. If y- I don't th- I think I've seen it.

I think I've been there. Been there, done that and seen it. So I coach from a place of, you know, try and coach from a place of wisdom. You know, wisdom is, is just a guy with bruises. And so I, I try and coach from a place of wisdom, and that brings me here. That's my goal. My mission is to help executives live their best life, be their best person, and lead with integrity.

To inspire, transform, and lead. That's [00:11:00] my

Scott Maderer: tagline

Dr. Wayne Wilson: for business. A quick question.

Scott Maderer: You know, you started that journey with advertising executive mass communication, and then when you talked about the pivot, you talked about, "But I just wanted to help people."

Yeah.

Was the help people there when you were going into the advertising, or was it and you were...

Y- h- connect that to advertising for me. Not that advertising's a bad thing, but I just, I'm trying to figure out what was the underlying why or did the why come later? W- both are

Dr. Wayne Wilson: possible. The why c- the why came later.

Scott Maderer: The why came later.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: The, the, the why came in realizing that the pure and simple pursuit of wealth and influence was not a, did not feed my soul.

And I could chase what I thought would be a good living in media and have [00:12:00] influence, but in the pur- process of doing it, I wasn't, I wasn't six months to a year in and I was miserable.

Scott Maderer: Yeah.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: So it ca- You do kill your

Scott Maderer: soul ...

Dr. Wayne Wilson: It came as a, it came as a, as a response to chasing, to selling and chasing the dollar, and I just knew that wasn't the path for me.

That's, that, to me, that was a gift. I've, I've- Mm ... chased it ever since. I've lived the mission in a variety of different places. I'm on my third calling and that's- Oh ... it's all been a part of helping people.

Scott Maderer: You're still on your same calling. Yeah. You're just on your s- third career. There

Dr. Wayne Wilson: you go.

I'm in my third application of the calling.

Scott Maderer: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I always try to distinguish that. And I wanted to call that out 'cause I think it's important 'cause a lot of folks think Oh, I'm supposed to discover my purpose and my passion," you know, some- magically, somehow you know that as a 19-year-old.

It's like, no you don't. You know? You discover it in the journey, you know? Yeah. I, I don't [00:13:00] think I don't think we, we get handed it. I think we have to discover it through- You have to discover it ... feedback and through- Yeah ... Through experience. Yeah. But it is why we have to pay attention too 'cause you could have just kept going down the advertising route.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Well, I coached many executives who knew that the industry was s- soul-sucking, but they just pursue it. And it, you know, and, and they end up pretty empty. So I- Yeah ... I know what it looks like when people do that. Yeah. Yes, I could have.

Scott Maderer: Yeah.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: But-

Scott Maderer: Yeah, I have a friend who ha- uh, left a w- was about to make partner in a law firm, and literally quit and gave up his law license and started his own business.

Yeah. And is now very successful. Yeah. And the reason he did is he's kinda, he looked around at every other partner in the f- law firm, and every single one of them was on their third marriage.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Yeah.

Scott Maderer: And he's like- Yeah ... "Wait a minute. You know, what am I doing? I don't wanna do this." Yeah.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: You know? Scott, Scott, pivots are okay.

I wanna say that- Yeah ... to your listeners and to you [00:14:00] because I'm coaching two, two... This is kind of ironic, but this is how God works in my life. I'm wor- I'm coaching two former Wall Street investment bankers.

Who realized that the life of a Manhattan investment banker was not-

Scott Maderer: Not there ...

Dr. Wayne Wilson: for them.

Scott Maderer: Yeah.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: And they left it, and they both started businesses. They both bought businesses, and my, my coaching is helping them transition into entrepreneurial life- Mm-hmm ... and into s- small business ownership, and I'm their guide. And we're building this, we're building small businesses together. But they knew it wasn't...

They just knew, "This is not for me." They were wise enough and mature enough to know, "This is not the life I want." And it's okay to pivot. To, it's absolutely okay. Absolutely

Scott Maderer: okay.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: If someone had told me that at 50 and said, "Take a breath, step back. It's time to pivot. Let's figure out where you wanna go next," I, it would've, [00:15:00] that would've, that story would've turned out a little bit different.

Probably a little bit better. Yeah.

Scott Maderer: So let me talk to you a little bit one of the things I like to highlight on the show is what I call the intersection between our, our faith journey and our life journey- Mm-hmm ... and how they intersected. And, you know, you mentioned going towards ministry and the, the helping profession and some of that.

But talk to me a little bit about how you've seen that intersection for you between faith and life.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Uh, I have kind of a, I think, a unique perspective on that. Seems a bit unique when I talk about it with folks in that, I've had the privilege of studying with mentors in ministry and in counseling, psychotherapy, marriage and family therapy at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary back in the '80s.

It's a little bit different now. The culture changed a little bit. I was a, a associate [00:16:00] professor at Liberty University for 12 years. I taught online, uh, i- in the evenings, uh, doing, after doing all that other stuff, which is crazy, but I did. So I had the privilege of being associated with some really good psychologists, and here's what I learned f- in the period of about 15 years.

People are people, and God loves every- everybody.

And so I, I really began to cultivate this theology that says there really is no separation between sacred and secular. The terms sacred and secular are human invented.

Scott Maderer: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: There, there's nothing in Christian theology that supports that other than some twisting of scripture.

It's really all sacred, and a- all life is sacred, and all people are sacred people, and everybody's journey is theirs, and God is [00:17:00] in there somewhere with you. You just gotta recognize it and learn how to listen to, listen to that and follow it. And so I ... They're really ... My, part of my personal mission is to, and the folks that I work with, is to not only blur those lines but at some point eliminate them.

And just help people live. When I talk about living your best life I call it a soul life a soulful life.

Scott Maderer: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Does that make sense?

Scott Maderer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I would, I will tell you it's not unique, but it is rare. Mm-hmm. It is rare. Having asked a lot of people that question, I- Mm-hmm ... I would say it's not unique, but it is rare 'cause, um I would put myself in the same camp as kind of that same belief of, uh

I tell people all the time, "God shows up, and it's above my pay grade to figure out how that happens," 'cause, you know?

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Right.

Scott Maderer: One of the best days of my life was when I [00:18:00] realized that the, I wasn't God, a- and, uh ...

Dr. Wayne Wilson: So some of my favorite moments in coaching, and it really doesn't matter the context, it can be a leadership executive coaching conversation, it can be a, a couple, it can be a college kid that I'm working with to help him find his career direction, they all at some point have what we call a God moment.

And w- and we'll kind of, we'll kind of step back and go- I recognize that. That's a God moment, right?

Scott Maderer: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: God just showed up in your life in a very unique way with a flashlight and shined the direction that is best for you to go. And those are just God moments, and I love those 'cause those are a lot of fun.

They're affirmations that we're headed in the right direction, we're doing the right thing.

Scott Maderer: You know, you talked about coaching earlier, about how there's sort of... I don't know, uh, I c- I'm trying to remember the exact word you used, but there, there's a a pattern to [00:19:00] coaching or there's a, a- There's

Dr. Wayne Wilson: a process

Scott Maderer: process to it.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Coaching's a process.

Scott Maderer: Coaching's a process. And yet, at the same time, like you just talked about, we also have those, what I call coaching surprises. You know, the, the God moments. Mm-hmm. The things that show up that it's like, " that's a new one." I've never... You talked about, uh, oh, the, uh, it, that was what it was.

You talked about you've seen some things, and, you know, you've seen it all kind of thing. Yeah. And yet, at the same time, I don't know about you, but part of me's like, well, I've seen it all before, and then along comes a client with something and it's like that's a unique... You know, I haven't seen that one before, but we can work through it.

How do you kind of see that kind of tension between, you know, everyone's... There's a process and it's the same, and yet we're all unique and there's, you know, unique flavors of what's going on in people's lives.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Well, Scott, I said this to, I said this to a president of a company this morning whom I had to chase down, and I don't do that as a coach.

But in my spirit it said, "You need to reach out [00:20:00] to this guy. He's in trouble." I recognized myself in him, and so I did. I chased him down and we had, we had coffee this morning. And, and, uh I was saying to him, "Look I r- I recognize that you don't have enough experience with this to fully trust it yet, but coaching is a process."

Scott Maderer: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: And I was hearing that he did not believe I could help him 'cause I had not been, I had not been where he'd been. I had not been in the exact scenario that he had been. Right. And he was saying, "Well, I don't know if you can help me 'cause, you know, you've never been exactly where I'm at," right?

And I had to pause and reflect on 40 years of experience and say, "Brother, and you don't know all the people I've walked all the different journeys with-

And all the different problems that I've seen people work through." and what I was able to explain to him [00:21:00] is coaching, there's a distinct and definite co- process to coaching.

There's a distinct and definite process to counseling. There's a distinct and definite process to marriage and family therapy. Th- th- there are processes that have proven to get results no matter what the exact situation is.

And so what I learned to do years and years ago, even as a pastor I would say to people, y- you know, "I'm gonna invite you to trust the process.

I can't tell you where the exa- what the exact answer's gonna be for you, but I can tell you if you trust the process, we'll get there."

Scott Maderer: Yeah. Yeah. "

Dr. Wayne Wilson: And we'll discover it together. I have 100% confidence, as I know you do, that if you'll engage with me and you'll walk the journey with me," I call it the pivot process, uh, it's my book, is The Pivot Process: 5 Moves From Pressure to Purpose, [00:22:00] "we'll find the answer, your answer together, and I'm 100% confident about

Scott Maderer: that."

Yeah. Yeah it's, uh, this is gonna sound like a weird analogy but it kinda comes out of my realm 'cause I work with people a lot around finances. Yeah. And people will say, " my car broke, and that there's-" Mm "... no way you can plan for that." Mm. And I'm like, "Okay, wait a minute. Do cars break?"

"Well, yeah." "Okay, then you know you don't know what is gonna break." You know, I don't know if it's gonna be a flat tire or a blown transmission-

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Yeah ...

Scott Maderer: but it's predictable that you're gonna have a car problem. There you go, right. You know? There you go. Yeah. So it's the difference between unexpected-

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Yes ...

Scott Maderer: and unplanned.

You know? Yes. You, you can plan for the unexpected.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Yes.

Scott Maderer: You just don't know what the unexpected's gonna be, so- That's exactly

right.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's the same thing, I think, with the coaching process of-

Yeah ...

I get surprised all the time, but that doesn't mean that there's not a process and a framework and a rhythm to- That's right

to what we're doing. That's right. Um, [00:23:00] and like you said, I, I think it's funny when it's like, "Well, you've never been a construction executive." No. No. You know? But- Yeah ... That doesn't mean we can't ask questions and engage in a way that helps. Let's talk about calling a little bit. You know, we were, earlier we were talking about how you kind of discovered your why and, and moved and, and you even said you're on your third iteration of your calling, but I would say you're on the same calling, but the third application of it.

I appreciate that.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Thank you.

Scott Maderer: How do you see that tension between calling versus what people do for a living and, y- that, y- you, earlier you talked about secular's not separate from secular, you know, that, that they- Yeah ... sacred and secular overlap.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Yeah.

Scott Maderer: W- what, how do you see that between calling and career, that, that, uh, that tension?

Dr. Wayne Wilson: There's an exercise I've been teaching and implementing Stephen Covey's Seven Habits of Highly Effective People for [00:24:00] about 30 years.

My friend at FranklinCovey, John Atwood, hey, John Atwood my friend calls me a master teacher of the seven habits. I've been teaching it a long time. And there's an exercise in The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People around being proactive in the-

In the, the habit of being proactive versus reactive, in which we guide people to write a personal mission statement. People hate that exercise.

Scott Maderer: Yep.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Hate that exercise because it asks them to step out of do And step into be.

And people are not used to thinking like that. They're just thinking about their to-do list or what they need to accomplish or what they need to get done or how much money they need to make or whatever, how many assets they need to have.

And so they're in the do mode, and they they struggle to step back and say, "Who am [00:25:00] I at my core? What is most important to me?" And what's the difference I wanna make? To whom? Now, you can call that many things. In The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, like, the, in the book it's called the personal mission statement.

You write a personal mission statement. It's all about wh- what you wanna be, what, what- Mm-hmm ... what you wanna accomplish, right? And some people call it purpose, this is my purpose. In my book, The Pivot Process, from pressure to purpose is actually your calling, but it's the- I use the word purpose, to find your purpose.

So you can think about it as your purpose, you can think about it as a mission statement, you can think about it as, uh, what gives you meaning. Uh, you can think about it as a calling. Uh if you're of the theology as I am that, that God is all about and within, that calling comes from within you.

[00:26:00] So it's still the same direction as a mission statement or a purpose or a sense of meaning. It comes from within you. And so your sense of calling is about who you are, what's most important to you, and what difference do you really wanna make on this planet? What impact do you wanna have? That's my favorite question for folks in the course of that, is at the end, what impact do you wanna have?

What difference did you wanna make? The pursuit of that question is your calling. I knew when I was selling advertising, that was not my, that was not my purpose. And what I discovered is in my heart, in my soul, my, my soul focus, what I really wanted was to help people.

And so that's what I, that's what I've been chasing ever since, is the calling of helping people be the best version of themselves, live their best life.

Scott Maderer: So let me ask you kind of a follow-up to [00:27:00] that. I'm sure you've seen it as well, and I, I know I have, where you're working with someone and maybe they started out with that purpose, they've got that strong drive, that strong calling, but somewhere along the way they start struggling to, to live it out.

You know- This, this was- ... then you start seeing that dichotomy ...

Dr. Wayne Wilson: this was me. That was my, that's me. That's my story. I understand that intimately. Tell,

Scott Maderer: tell me about that. How does that, how do you see that playing out? Why does that happen to so many of us along the way?

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Scott, I was in my sweet spot and I was living the dream.

I was doing exactly what God had called me to do and I was, I was in the sweet spot. I'll tell you exactly what happened. The organ- the parent organization had P&L expectations that they had a profit margin that they needed me to hit. The board [00:28:00] of directors had goals for each of the counseling centers.

Each counselor needed to make a certain amount of money, and I needed to make a certain amount of money. And my... The phrase that goes up my spine and gets into my back is when you get in the weeds. Y- Leaders lose their soul, they lose their calling, and they lose their sense of purpose when they get in the weeds, and their eyes their focus is on what i- what executives know as lag results, not lead results.

The measures. When your entire focus is on the P&L or the balance sheet And you forgot about what, what services, uh, what mission accomplishes that and produces that, and you get in the weeds, you lose your soul. When you lose your soul, you lose your calling.

And so your eyes just get on the [00:29:00] end result.

Your eyes get on the prize, right? There's a, a saying in ancient Hebrew scripture that the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil.

Scott Maderer: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Right? A- and the essence of that message is when your eyes are totally on the treasures you forget about what's really important, and you lose your sense of calling.

And that happened to me. This is exactly what happened to me. And I re- I rediscovered it in, in different applications and different places, but-

The part of the reason I'm running a small business right now and don't ever intend to grow this into a large coaching, multi-complex organization is I don't ever wanna get there again, where I've lost my sense of calling.

And I know it happens when your eyes get in the wrong place.

Scott Maderer: Yeah. Yeah, the, you know, the old, uh- Adages that i- in sports is y- your body goes where your eyes [00:30:00] go. Your, your body goes where your eyes go. Yeah. Your body goes where your head goes. Yeah, yeah. You know you know, you're throwing a football, look where you're throwing.

Don't don't look at the football, look where you're throwing. You know, if you're, if you're running, look... Don't look at your feet, look out there where you're... You know, look at the finish line, look ahead. And I think a lot of times we do the same thing as leaders. We stop looking where we're going, and we start looking at where we're at.

Yeah. You know, looking at our feet instead of- Yeah ... looking forward. Yeah. And it, and it's pretty easy to lose track and do that. I would agree 100%. You know, I've got a few questions that I like to ask all of my guests, but before I go there, is there anything else about the work you've been doing or your book, uh, The Pivot Process, that you'd like to share?

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Hey, I, I went through a major pivot myself. If you're in a place where you know it's time to pivot, it's okay. Change is okay. Cha- change is a good thing. I know you're scared. I know that you don't know where this is [00:31:00] headed. Embrace that. Get a coach. Scott'll help you, I'll help you, somebo- another coach will help you.

The coaching profession has grown a lot. There are lots of really good coaches. M- my book, The Pivot Process is a f- is a framework for that. You can get it, it on Amazon. It's a, it's a self-guided tour in the change process, how I do the change process. That's really all it is. But find a coach. Change is okay.

Embrace it. Lean into it. Get a coach. Let's go. Let's go there together. Yeah, you do not have to do this alone.

Scott Maderer: So my brand is Inspired Stewardship, and I kind of run things through that lens of, of- Mm ... stewardship. And yet I've discovered over the years that that's one of those words that can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

So for you, what does the word stewardship mean to you?

Dr. Wayne Wilson: It's about caring responsibility. It's about appreciating the, the stories in Christian scripture around stewardship are all [00:32:00] about taking care of something. W- I teach, I learned from a long time ago from The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People and other th- uh, leadership concepts that we manage things and we lead people.

Scott Maderer: And

Dr. Wayne Wilson: stewardship is all about working together collaboratively to manage things in a creative and proactive, caring way. It's about good care of what you have and what you've been given, right? The story of the talents in the New Testament is all about ending up better off than you started, and that's really, for me a good way to think about stewardship.

Am I better off? Are we better off? Am I better off? Are our finances at home better off? Did I leave something for my children better than I received? [00:33:00] Is the company b- in a better place? So it's about, stewardship is about taking good care of things for me.

Scott Maderer: So this is my favorite question that I'll ask, to ask everybody.

Imagine for a moment that I can invent this magic machine, and with this machine, I was able to take you from where you are today and transport you into the future maybe 150, maybe 250 years, and through the power of this machine, you are able to look back and see your entire life, see all of the ripples, all of the connections, all of the impacts you've left.

What impact do you hope you've left in the world?

Dr. Wayne Wilson: By the way, doesn't that exist? It's a car, right? And it's got a flux capacitor in it.

Scott Maderer: And you push the button. Yeah, d- Doctor Scott hasn't lent it to me yet.

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Oh, okay. All right. Excellent. Yeah. The

DeLorean ... My vision of that is to one day [00:34:00] be given an account Of all the lives that have, I have positively impacted.

That's what brings tears to my eyes, is the day I close my eyes for the last time and take my last breath, and I'm in the eternal reality that I will see and know all the lives that I positively impacted. That's all I could ask for

Scott Maderer: So what's on the roadmap? What's coming next for you as you kind of continue on this journey?

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Multiplication. You know the story of saving the starfish? You get, you know- Mm-hmm ... you can save one starfish, you throw one starfish back. For the longest time as an individual counselor, I saved, I was, had an impact in people's lives one person at a time. That was fine. That was good for me. Then I went into, to marriage therapy, and I [00:35:00] was able to impact a family, and that was nice.

And then when I went into organization development and I started working with organizations, I could see that, wow, if you can, if you can help a leader create a culture of trust, of inspiration, of good stewardship, you can impact... Think about a company, think about 1,000 people times 10

And all the people in the organization that I was able to impact by helping create a culture, a, a healthy, vibrant culture. That's the path forward. So the, to multiply the impact is to, to coach leaders to build healthy organizations, to be healthy leaders, to be trustworthy leaders, and impact countless people's lives and families' lives.

That's the multiplication factor. So executive leadership, leading, uh, helping [00:36:00] people build small businesses that take great care of their families and leave a legacy, uh, leading organizations, uh, helping organizations build. I call myself a culture strategist. That, that's where I can make the biggest impact in the next 10 years, is by impacting organizational cultures.

And I do that, uh, the culture follows the leader. And so I do that through impacting the leader. So that's the pathway of the next 10 years is impact as many lives as possible through executive and leadership coaching.

Scott Maderer: Awesome. So you can find out more about Dr. Wayne Wilson over at coachdrwayne.com.

Of course, I'll have a link to that over in the show notes as well. Thanks. And a link to, link to his book. Dr. Wayne, what else would you like to leave with the listener?

Dr. Wayne Wilson: Trust the process. I have a process, [00:37:00] P-I-V-O-T. Uh, go to Amazon.com, purchase it. You can understand what that means. Skye has a process for guiding you through good stewardship.

Coaches have a process. Trust the process. Find a coach. Build a better life. Move forward.

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