Episode 1096: Invest in Yourself - Interview with Leadership Coach Jerry Fu – Part 1

[00:00:00] Scott Maderer: Thanks for joining us on episode 1096 of the inspired stewardship

[00:00:05] Jerry Fu: podcast. I'm Jerry Fu. I challenge you to invest in yourself, invest in others, develop your influence and impact the world by using your time, your talent and your treasures to live out your. Having the ability to understand and resolve conflict is key.

[00:00:24] And one way to be inspired to do that is to listen to this, the inspires stewardship podcast with my friend Scott Mader.

[00:00:31] the question that I had to ask myself when I was dealing with conflict. How resentful do you feel each day? How already your relationship. Because if you are not at a point where you look forward to seeing the people in your life, whether it's people you work with or family members, friends.

[00:00:52] Scott Maderer: Welcome. And thank you for joining us on the inspired stewardship podcasts. If you truly desire to [00:01:00] become the person who God wants you to be, then you must learn to use your time, your talent and your treasures for your true calling. And the inspired stewardship podcast who will learn to invest in yourself, invest in others and develop your influence so that you can impact the world.

[00:01:19] And today's interview with Jerry Fu. I asked Jerry what brought him to coaching. I also asked Jerry why he focuses so much on coaching, around conflict resolution. And I also asked Jerry to share with you what saved his career after he was fired. One reason I like to bring you great interviews. Like the one you're going to hear today is because of the power in learning from others.

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[00:02:05] There's over 180,000 titles to choose from. And instead of reading, you can listen your way to learn from some of the greatest minds. Out there. That's inspired stewardship.com/audible to get your free trial and listen to great books the same way you're listening to this podcast. Jerry Fu is a conflict resolution coach for Asian American leaders.

[00:02:30] He started coaching in 2017 to help other Asian American professionals deal with the challenges they encounter at work with their families and within themselves prior to starting his coaching business, Jerry worked as a pharmacist and began facilitating leadership workshops in 2012. Today, Jerry offers a range of coaching services, which includes individual cases.

[00:02:53] Group workshops and keynote presentations in his free time. Jerry enjoys travel, trying new [00:03:00] restaurants and lots of salsa dancing. Welcome to the show. Jerry

[00:03:04] Jerry Fu: Scott, thanks for having me.

[00:03:06] Scott Maderer: So let's start here. What got you into the kind of coaching that you actually do?

[00:03:13] Jerry Fu: Yeah. The underlying theme of my journey into coaching is a struggle and aversion to.

[00:03:22] Whether it's because of cultural norms watching my, the way my parents handled conflict with themselves or with guests that didn't take off their shoes when they entered the house

[00:03:35] or they overstayed their welcome things like that. And then part of it was also being in retail jobs where you're supposed to play. The customer, no matter how unreasonable they request or anything like that. And even in college or so, or that in pharmacy school, that's when I started to realize, yeah, I was [00:04:00] whatever conflict.

[00:04:02] Approach I had was not working, but I didn't believe I could get better at it. And I didn't want to admit that I needed to get better at it. In my fixed mindset thinking that this is the best I could do. And it didn't bode well when I got into chain pharmacies as the start of my career.

[00:04:21] And again, just being beat up by difficult customers and patients and things. And I said to myself, he knows this is this all I can do? Cause I feel like I'm just supposed to be the nice guy. I'm supposed to be the meat person that somehow this is the best way to handle these things.

[00:04:38] And I remember just after I I struggled with a really difficult customer service incident where I said, okay, I need to change this stuff. I need to do something to. With my career. And so even though I didn't have a conventional PhD or residency I wanted to get into teaching pharmacy students.

[00:04:55] And managed to leverage my network, to get a [00:05:00] teaching job through a pharmacy consulting company here in Houston. And next thing I know I'm moving from Knoxville, where I was working at the time to. To move for this company and take a chance on this part-time position that would hopefully grow to a full-time position.

[00:05:14] And when I realized I was in over my head in terms of expectations, not being that and things like that again, just that I pulled back, I was struggling to deal with the feedback. I didn't want to hear. And then so eventually my supervisor and I began to disengage. And then after 11 months, since I started with the company, they fired me.

[00:05:35] And so I realized quickly I need to get better at leadership. I need to get better at difficult conversations, but still, really didn't want to admit. I didn't like the feeling of failure. I didn't like what else? You know what? I didn't like what I felt like about myself when I had a bad conversation that went worse.

[00:05:53] Even as I finally gave myself permission a couple of years later, after teaching some leadership workshops that[00:06:00] allowed me the possibility that maybe I could actually be good at this still was very averse to difficult conversations that does include. Boss who wrote me bad paychecks?

[00:06:11] Like

[00:06:12] Jerry Fu: how do I confront this guy? I'm upset. I'm really upset. And yet if I really unload on him, because I think he's not

[00:06:18] Scott Maderer: paying me, but how do I tell him

[00:06:20] Jerry Fu: that he probably already knows? Yeah. Even after I took on some manager positions, which ended up saving my pharmacy career staying employed as a pharmacist, I actually ended up getting written up at another job because my technicians were not pulling their weight.

[00:06:36] And I, I kept using grace as an excuse to, to not engage them. I said let me just spare them consequences and just trust that even as we're upset with them, that somehow we're going to trust that they're going to come around and grow into this. And management wrote me up and they said, no, Like this is unacceptable.

[00:06:52] Like they're underperforming. And your unwillingness to discipline them or even fire them [00:07:00] is also bad. And so this is the only way we're going to get our point across is if we put it in the doghouse and so managed to work my way out of that, but still very much, I'm still scared of difficult things about leadership.

[00:07:16] And eventually after the, so the first kind of transformation was okay. Boston's telling me to do a job. I get the job done unless I resort to some, unless it's completely unethical illegal. Like I shouldn't say no. And I should find a way to get the job done. And then the second is Recognizing that if there is a conflict that's unresolved, take care of it, quickly take care of it while it's still small.

[00:07:40] And that things tend to go better when you don't wait for a fire to get so big before you decide to finally call the fire department. But all that to say yeah, about four years ago realized that I didn't want to keep doing pharmacy jobs where. I had to chase doctors for scripts, had to fight the insurance [00:08:00] companies to dictate what I'm worth.

[00:08:02] And so I said but teaching these leadership workshops I love doing that. What if I became a coach so that I could develop people the way I wish I'd been developed? And so initially it sounded really exciting to announce this new venture and the. And then it turns out everybody wants to coach.

[00:08:21] It was like all of a sudden I'm joining a club full of leadership coaches and all of a sudden it's oh my goodness, like, how do I stand out in? And I went from one saturated John market and I did and to another, and I didn't realize that. And so I decided to niche down partly due to own personal experience with partly because my friends gave me a lot of feedback on this.

[00:08:41] And they said, Jerry, it's blatant. That conflict resolution is your name. Between your personal challenge. And your professional challenges, everything centers around some kind of conflict that you had to deal with. And still I tell people I didn't necessarily choose conflict resolution. It chose me [00:09:00] and here we are.

[00:09:01] Yeah. But that's I think that's important to point out first of all, I want to ask this question. So so people have the context, how many years from the beginning of that journey that you just started sharing to four years ago when you started saying I want to do this coaching.

[00:09:18] Yeah. Yeah. I've been practicing as a pharmacist for 16 years, so this is definitely. A long winding journey with detours and interruptions. Sometimes I sought out the challenge of a times, challenge challenges found me. And regardless of how you ended up with one over, regardless of how it ends up in front of you.

[00:09:38] If you don't pass the test, you have to take it again, right? Yeah. But And it's, so this is a 20 year journey. We're not talking six years. We're not talking six months. We're

[00:09:47] talking about. No. Yeah. This is not a microwave. It's not an instant. Hey, let's let you know. Let's get you in these workshops in six months and you know exactly what she needs to do the rest of your life.

[00:09:56] It's not that easy if it's, if it happens great, but. [00:10:00] Yeah. And

[00:10:00] Scott Maderer: the second part, just to again, call that out for folks you chose the niche of conflict in part, because that's the area that you had worked on for those 20 years. And you're now trying to help other people take that same journey, but not take 20 years to get there.

[00:10:21] You don't have

[00:10:21] Jerry Fu: this at the point. You don't have to skip my new exactly the way I did nor to learn that lesson. Absolutely. And I think that's important to call out because that oftentimes as a coach, that is one of the ways that coaches find their niche is the place. Yeah, it took me 35 years to figure this out.

[00:10:38] Scott Maderer: I don't want everybody else to have to take 35 years to do it. So I've got to, I'm going to jumpstart it a little bit. So that's awesome. And I also think it's interesting that as you said to distinguish yourself, ' cause most of the time people think, oh, we need a broader audience and you recognize no, wait, actually I need to focus in more.

[00:10:55] So how would someone know if they're if this is an area that they need to work on [00:11:00] in terms of conflict resolution, what are some of the symptoms or some of the things that would pop out to them?

[00:11:05] Jerry Fu: Oh, great question. Yeah. I think the question I had to ask myself when I was dealing with conflict was.

[00:11:13] How resentful do you feel we day how are your relationships? Because if you are not at a point where you look forward to seeing the people in your life, whether it's people you work with, or family members or friends what I've noticed. And I hated to admit that John Maxwell's right about this trust is really the biggest gauge as to whether or not you enjoy being around.

[00:11:38] If you trust them, you'll like being around them. If you don't trust them, he won't like it anymore. And so if you don't like the people you're around you probably have some degree of unresolved conflict that needs to, that you can, that you have the opportunity to address. You don't have to settle for this because you can either have the conversation to adjust and [00:12:00] reset expectations or you can. Change up your friends so that you can get a fresh start or however you want to resolve this conflict, whether it's restore your current relationships or reset them.

[00:12:14] It's your choice. Just understand that until you decide to do something you shouldn't expect like outside circumstances or help to come in and rescue.

[00:12:23] Scott Maderer: So now I've got to ask a different question in the intro. We mentioned that you enjoy travel, trying new restaurants and then salsa dancing.

[00:12:32] So where does the salsa dancing come into this pattern?

[00:12:38] Jerry Fu: Ah, yeah, it's it's one of those growth journeys, much growth as a leader. And work settings. I had to grow as a leader on the dance floor. It's not a hobby I would've picked for myself, Scott. I just got my first taste of it in college.

[00:12:54] During the spring formal, they tried to teach us to salsa lesson and it was terrible. [00:13:00] Even when I teach salts, I think about that lesson, I thought to myself, man, that was a really bad lesson. And Basically. Yeah. Stayed away from it for several years. Just enough, fix my set up. If I'm not good at this after two or three passes that I'll never be good at it.

[00:13:12] So I'm just going to leave it alone. I don't like feeling competent. And during pharmacy school some friends were starting to scene in Memphis and so they said, Hey, you gotta give it another chance. By my third year of school, my grades had solidified like a BA one more bad grade. Wasn't gonna like tip the scales too much.

[00:13:30] And so I said to myself, okay, I'm going to spend more time trying to go dancing and give myself more study breaks. And I got to a point where actually really. And then I went through after I graduated, I moved to a city that had no salsa dancing. So I got rusty and went through this really unproductive cycle of rust and lack of confidence and missing it and then try to get back on it.

[00:13:52] And then Nope go through more rust and confidence, slacking and missing it. And it wasn't until [00:14:00] about four, four years after I moved back to Houston where. I rediscovered my love for it and it's locked in. I tell people all it took was one skilled, pretty blonde. It's going to be like, you know what?

[00:14:10] I got to bring my a game. I said, after I danced with her, I said, oh my gosh, why did I stay away from this for so long? And it's been a regular part of my life. So

[00:14:20] Scott Maderer: again, that, that idea of you, you've mentioned a couple of times fixed mindset. So would you explain and I've talked about it before on the show, but for anybody new that maybe hasn't heard that, what do you mean by fixed mindset and kind of what's the opposite

[00:14:35] Jerry Fu: of that?

[00:14:36] Yeah. Great question. Fixed mindset, right? You believe. Things are static. If you're good at something, you'll always be good at it. If you're bad at something else, be bad at it. And there is no room for change. And whether you've sealed your fate with your career or certain relationships, you just have to settle for.

[00:14:55] Yeah, you can just believe that things are the way they are and [00:15:00] that's the way they'll always be, even if there's evidence otherwise. And then the opposite of that then is a growth mindset to recognize, Hey Most things in life take work. No one starts off as an expert. And if I put in enough work, I may not be the best at it, but I will get better at it.

[00:15:16] And as long as you focus on improving each day, as something you feel is worth investing in. At some point, someone will consider you an expert.

[00:15:24] Scott Maderer: And you may not be the best of the world the old story is if you've read five books on a subject that you actually probably know as much as many experts, because most people don't read five books on any one subject.

[00:15:38] So that's put you in the upper echelon already. So earlier you referenced getting fired and using your network and leveraging some things. Can you expand a little bit on how cause being fired is a big deal. Emotionally financially there's a lot of impacts.[00:16:00]

[00:16:00] How did you go through that situation and leverage where you were at to refocus and restart your career?

[00:16:08] Jerry Fu: Yeah. Great question. After I got fired. Yeah, just the emotions running through my head. I was stunned. I

[00:16:17] Scott Maderer: was surprised even when it shouldn't

[00:16:19] Jerry Fu: be, as it is. The funny thing is one of the, one of the weird details is that I could look at my my bosses made their calendars available to.

[00:16:29] To access. So we knew what kind of appointments they were having. And so when I saw my supervisor's name with the department head's name and HR on what ended up being my last day. So I said this is going to suck. I just don't know how it's going to go down, but this is gonna suck. And yeah, at the end of that Friday, the last Friday in April I get called into the department has.

[00:16:51] He chews me out and then I'm like, okay, just maintain eye contact is maintained, eye contact. That's all it's got them. I have right now. I'm just like, does [00:17:00] whatever you do. Just maintain eye contact. And yeah he told me it was my last day, clean out. My office turned in my badges and I'm just sitting there thinking, I'm like, what do I do with this?

[00:17:11] I moved to Houston for this job. Like I I'm turning in my badge. And even though I live lived four miles from work, Scott Dallas, a longest drive. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it really didn't even as hard as it hit me that day, the next day, when I tried to use my old logins, trying to get back into the websites and things, and they're like, Nope, they weren't that clean.

[00:17:33] It was just like mafia style. Nope. Just erase him. And I'm sitting there thinking like now really? And then the following Monday where I know I'm supposed to go into where I would normally have a routine to go into work and I don't have that. I just sit in silence in the snow thinking, what do I do?

[00:17:48] And yeah. Tried to file for unemployment and play that song and dance and ended up, yeah, like part of my unemployment [00:18:00] conditions where that I applied to jobs each week to show that I was active. And so at one point I ran out of like reputable companies to apply to or names that, that recognized.

[00:18:10] And then, so I applied to this company confidential job, which guys don't ever apply to. Job plus, and this is company confidential. Never goes well. Is that the CIA? You don't go. There might be something good, but it's there, there usually isn't anything good. It's like nothing good ever happens after two, 2:00 AM, like nothing bad might happen, but nothing good will happen.

[00:18:35] And he got tangled up with the recruiter, more concerned about her commission and actually placing me. And a good job from situation ended up settling for one of the jobs that she offered. Cause by now I'd been out for six weeks and I said, okay I don't want my employment where my unemployment benefits are gonna drop by 20%.

[00:18:54] And I just didn't want to keep relying on them. So I decided to take this job. Shortly. [00:19:00] I haven't mentioned this to a lot of podcasts, those, but a week into this job I get a call from the same recruiter who pushed so hard for me to take this job. And she said, Hey I think you're better off working for the first choice that I gave you.

[00:19:13] You got to get out of there. This guy's bad. And I said to myself, I'm just into thinking, what, like, why did you change your tune so quickly? The check, her check bounced

[00:19:25] and that's

[00:19:29] Scott Maderer: bad news,

[00:19:31] Jerry Fu: but she didn't tell me like she, if she had been more transparent, I would have probably trusted her more. I had signed the six month contract with this guy and I I didn't want to back out of it because I just thought that looked bad in me, even though nothing had changed hands yet.

[00:19:45] But yeah, the only the first check bounced and he told me, and the boss told me, he says, Hey, yeah we'll compensate you with cash or cashier's check there's just some accounting problems. And I was like, okay. I'm just really naive about it [00:20:00] happens. Yeah.

[00:20:00] One time. Okay. Benefit of the doubt. And then another three bounced. And I didn't know this because I was sending my checks home because I had a I didn't bother setting up a local bank account. So I had no firsthand knowledge that this was happening. And I love my mom. And again, in this conflict aversion, she did not tell me that these tests were bad. Oh, I don't want it. It's like, how am I supposed to pay my bills? Now I'm writing checks that are bouncing because my boss wrote me bad checks. This is not a good sequence. And so what I referenced earlier had a very misguided view of grace.

[00:20:35] Let me honor my part, even if he doesn't honor his, and I'm going to trust that it's going to come around and every. Around me. It's just Jerry, he's not paying you leave. He's you're doing work for him. He's not paying you the way he promised that is a breach of contract he's in breach of contract.

[00:20:49] Exactly. Yeah. And yeah, and I was really stuck in this bad cycle though, because I was just basically chasing. 'cause he's I can't pay you unless we move these scripts for crooked doctors. [00:21:00] And so now I'm jeopardizing. The only way I get paid is if I jeopardize my license, and I just I don't know how to get off this really nasty treadmill.

[00:21:07] And it wasn't until nine months into it where my friends other parts of my networks said, okay, we have we have something lined up. Get out of there. And so I hop on with this next company and things seem okay. They're doing pain management legitimately, but money's really tight.

[00:21:24] And they tell me after about that number one they had to hold off my hire date. So for so that was the first problem. The second was after they trained me they said, Hey, we like you, but we can't pay you more than eight hours a week. And I said, oh, thank you for telling me sooner than later do I choose between rent or groceries this month?

[00:21:47] Or like, how does that go? And so I asked what's available. And they said you can get more hours for us and with us in Austin, if you're willing to try it out there, which is for those of you not familiar with Texas [00:22:00] geography, two and a half hours away and really fun city.

[00:22:04] But I was so settled into Houston at this point where moving to Austin, even temporarily felt like an entire shift and everyone else is telling you could end up in worse places. I said, yeah, it's still not home. Okay. Yeah. And yeah, I'm working in Austin. This is 2012 now I'm working in Austin with no idea of what my life is gonna look like.

[00:22:24] Because all my stuff was in Houston, I would need to, if I settled in Austin, I need to find a new apartment and it's I was already, thankfully I was already connected with a bunch of people there. Like I didn't have to walk into a city blind where I had no connections at all, like Amarillo or other random cities, like Midland or something.

[00:22:46] And but again, No idea it's just mired in self pity and just feeling sorry for myself and just wondering where the wind would take me next, basically. And again, just [00:23:00] this network just comes through for me in random ways. In that summer I was asked to help facilitate.

[00:23:07] Some leadership workshops through a pharmacy leadership, non-profit also through the same network of fraternity brothers and they said, Hey, we know you've been facilitating workshops on the fraternity side, but a spot opened up for a national leadership meeting. Would you be interested? And I said, absolutely.

[00:23:23] And. Went through that process. Got paired up with a pharmacist. I still sing these prices today because he basically gave me the blueprint for success of a successful leadership or effective leadership. And so between teaching leadership material and then seeing it modeled for me and seeing how I experienced, oh, this is what an effectively, that does.

[00:23:45] He brought out the best in me. He gave me the confidence to handle my part and I w and I wasn't just, oh, Hey, this is yours. You've got to take care of it. It is, oh, I want to do the best job I can for him. I want to run through walls for this guy. And so I had to slow it [00:24:00] down and estimate. So how did.

[00:24:00] And some of the things I list and some of the things that I internalized as in trying to suss out my own leadership style, I said Michael, Negretti he's fun to be around. He's just he draws people and he's fun to learn from. He's always got something interesting to talk about or something he's working on.

[00:24:21] So that's also great, right? A third. His he's always tinkering, always creative, and everything that he tastes, he doesn't just think, okay, this is good enough. I'll leave it alone. It's always, he's always experimenting with something. And then not only does he experiment, he invites you to collaborate with them as he's experimenting.

[00:24:39] Because, Hey, Jerry I reached off with all this a little bit. I was trying to do some things. Hey, what do you think of this? And then you're just excited to keep up with them. You're like, Hey, this is fun. Like I want to do this. And then yeah. Tireless worker like knows no question how hard he works.

[00:24:54] Like you don't want to burn yourself out, but at the same time, like you should have no question about wow. Like he worked hard on this. Like he [00:25:00] stayed up extra hours just to make sure these things are ready. And so in studying. And then also he, failure was never a problem for him. If something didn't go as planned, it was never all, how dare you mess this up?

[00:25:12] Dadadada. It was just like, no. Okay. What did we learn from this? What do we need to change? Okay. Don't dwell on it overly, right? Yes. We want to reflect a little bit, but we're not gonna cry over spilled milk. We're not going to get mad over, over what we lost. We're going to focus on the lesson and then we're going to keep moving.

[00:25:28] And yeah, these were the things that I realized I need to internalize and use I put my own spin on things, put my own spices in my own recipe, but yeah this is where I started to, that was the first Genesis of realizing, oh, you know what? I'm excited to do these things.

[00:25:45] If this is what it takes us to be a good.

[00:25:47] Scott Maderer: If you had to talk to somebody and share with them, what are some of the top principles or resources or ideas that they should look at, if they're thinking to [00:26:00] themselves Hey, I'm struggling in some of these areas. I want to get better at it in a, what are some tips or some principles that, that they may need to focus on.

[00:26:09] Jerry Fu: Yeah. I think the first thing is to generate your own. Because Jim quick talks about automatic negative thoughts and by those right on one hand, the pessimism is healthy. And that Spencer protect us right. When you see like a challenge and you think worst case scenario, because it's good to to anticipate those and account for those possibilities and at the same time.

[00:26:33] I think the first is when you see a challenge as to. Do I immediately get intimidated by it or am I already thinking of possible ways to overcome it? And so that's one thing I would suggest for people who are struggling, Hey where are the stars coming up? And what you know, are these helpful?

[00:26:56] Are these effective if not, okay, what do I need to start thinking of? [00:27:00] That's I think one thing I'm a big turning point for me was giving yourself permission to be successful, to say, Hey, you know what? I believe in my ability to actually do the jobs that I need to do and saying, Hey what I'm telling myself is I'm the most important voice, right?

[00:27:16] Because other people can have their opinions. And the, I think the problem is when we agree with too many. Especially if they are in enough people that we trust to respect and we know have her best interests. That's

[00:27:27] that,

[00:27:28] Jerry Fu: and then three ask yourself, what kind of team do you have around you?

[00:27:31] Is your inner circle moving forward is your work team really on board? With what's essential and compliment each other's strengths and covering each other's weaknesses. And we're looking out for each other because yeah, too often, if you lack individual willpower and discipline, the best solution is to ask for help and surround yourself with people who will keep you accountable.

[00:27:54] So I think if you're struggling with that yeah. Ask yourself what you're learning. [00:28:00] Ask yourself what else could you experiment? In terms of trying to get better in believing that yeah. Do I believe I can get better? Yes. Okay. Then how can you get. Could you read a book?

[00:28:10] Could you ask for advice? Surely this is not a new struggle, right? Most of the leadership struggles are not new. They're just new to the person that's in the position. They're new to you. And Heath brothers books, there are all five of them are, is, are one of the resources I recommend.

[00:28:26] And one of the things they say is, seems like a no brainer to us and leadership, but I think people just don't wanna admit it's there. Find someone who's solved your. All these leaders in this world and none of them. I've dealt with what you've dealt with. That's a pretty tall, a tall bed, right?

[00:28:41] That somehow this is unique to you so

[00:28:44] Scott Maderer: well, but I think in leadership roles, a lot of times we feel isolated because you feel like you're supposed to have all of the answers. That's why you're in that role. Even though that's not actually why you're in that role, but it feels like that's why you're

[00:28:57] Jerry Fu: in the role.

[00:28:57] It can feel lonely. [00:29:00] And that's the other thing I think that's, I'm glad you touched on that. Actually I have a blog post on what to do when you feel lonely as a leader and yeah. If can be, when you feel like you're standing alone and no one else is supporting you, it's just like, why am I even bothering?

[00:29:15] And yeah. Where do you look out for help? What lessons are you willing to learn? The solution may cost a little more in terms of the money it's going to cost you even more in terms of time, if you're not willing to invest the money what's what's more important to you at this point outsourcing or getting, paying for a very insightful opinion and assessments or just learning the lesson on your own, but in a year or two, you may not have anything to invest in. So be careful. Yeah.

[00:29:44] Scott Maderer: You can follow Jerry on LinkedIn as Jerry Fu or find him on his website@adaptingleaders.com. Of course I'll have links to those over in the show notes as well. Jerry, is there anything else you'd like to share with the listener? [00:30:00]

[00:30:00] Jerry Fu: Yeah, sure. Yeah. There is a free download. We may have mentioned this earlier in the previous episode about yeah.

[00:30:08] Free download on a framework to handle difficult conversations. You can also schedule a complimentary 30 minute call just to share your story or a challenge. You need some help with. No strings attached. You can also find my free book blog where I discuss interesting and useful leadership literature.

[00:30:24] Summarize it for you, give you some key takeaways. So if you don't have time to read this, check out the blog post, and hopefully that's enough to get you going, or it's inspire you to read the book yourself and see what kind of dialogue that leads to other things on. Or available. I have a monthly book discussion.

[00:30:38] It's just 10 bucks a person the first Wednesday of every month. We do some networking. I'll give you a book summary and then there's some facilitated discussion. So it's a great opportunity to network, get some insights and even stay in touch and keep each other accountable with whatever next actions you want to take.

[00:30:52] After having heard the book.

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[00:31:45] Jerry Fu: world.